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Terrified to go into my own garden..

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TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 16:33

I just want to preface this by saying that I’ve name changed and MNHQ will be able to verify that I’ve been on here a long while. Just pointing this out, as I’ll inevitably get troll hunted on this one as it makes very little sense! I assure you I have not left anything out whatsoever and I’m sorry it’s such a long post.

I’m a widowed parent of one 11yr old DD. I have a small-ish dog who thankfully doesn’t bark much (which is relevant to this situation).

2 years ago, my usually always very friendly & chatty next door neighbour, randomly blocked me from texting her - which I rarely ever did anyway tbh, only ever if there was a parcel here for her etc. The last time I’d spoken to her, everything had been great. I was utterly mystified but figured it’d be sorted eventually and I’d ask her when I saw her next. With it being winter I didn’t see her for a while and when I did, I was ignored. Really odd but ok…. Maybe I or DD had made some noise? Although she has always assured me vehemently that she can’t hear anything from our side but even so, I don’t allow DD to make noise for my own sake as well as that of others!

Last summer, there were a few occasions when I was in my back garden (6ft fence with vertical planks with small gaps in between) and neighbour’s Dad who was there, shouted over at me. Once when I was taking a photo of a random plant which had popped up so I could identify it, he shouts “Come round if you want to take photos, you fat fuck!” Now, I should’ve asked WTF he was talking about and corrected him but I was too stunned to speak! Another time I got called a “sad pathetic loser” when I was cutting sweet pea flowers off my trellis on our adjoining fence. Followed by him saying to his daughter “Don’t worry she’s obviously got no life” Again, I hugely regret not saying something back and asking what on earth I’m meant to have said or done wrong. But having escaped extremely violent DV, I just don’t have the strength to confront any male and probably never will. It’s fight or flight and I flee. Until today, that is.

Around the end of last year, the neighbour got a dog of their own and despite my calling my dog in every single time, theirs still barks loudly every single time he sees my dog through the fence. I’ve tried putting tarpaulin up on the adjoining fence to prevent their dog seeing mine but nope, it still keeps happening. Thankfully my dog doesn’t usually bark back and if he does, it’s one singular woof to show his displeasure, then he comes in!
About 2 months ago, I wrote neighbour herself a letter (as she just blanks me when I try speaking to her face to face) explaining that I’ve absolutely zero clue what I’ve done to upset her, apologised if it’s noise (though I really don’t think it is, as DD & I are quiet people and when DD is at school, I’m often asleep or at hospital) and explaining that I only have about 12-14 months left to live due to an autoimmune disorder which she actually knows I have, that I want to spend what time I have left with my child in peace and just want to be left alone and politely requested that they stop slamming their front door as it was making us both jump a mile and was affecting DD at school when it happens during the night. I was very polite and promised to do what I can on my part to try and mitigate the situation with her dog seeing mine through the fence (which I have done, I put tarpaulin up but clearly I need to add more!)

Fast forward to a few weeks ago and now her Dad is seemingly living there and is making mine & my daughter’s lives a living hell.
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I open one of my French doors and either let my dog out for a wee or I dare to step out into my own garden, not only does their dog bark like mad at mine (who now just ignores theirs as he’s used to it!) I get “Oh for fuck’s sake!” or her little boy goes running inside shouting “Mum, Granddad, she’s in her garden again!!!” followed by “Oh for fuck’s sake! Fucking typical!” It’s got to the point where I’m genuinely anxious to go into my own garden and I’m not exaggerating and I’m a keen gardener! I can’t even nip to my greenhouse to get some lettuce without a “Oh for fuck’s sake, fat fuck is out again!” 😳
Last week, I had to mow the lawn as it was the first day I’d had in weeks where I was well enough to do it and they were having a BBQ (I don’t think there were any guests but I decided to be as quick as possible anyway) and well, he was fuming and they went storming inside, slamming the door. I don’t know what was said as I had the mower on but heard door slam. That one was probably my fault for mowing whilst they were having a BBQ but if I’d waited until the next time I was well enough, the grass would’ve been too long to mow!

Another thing which I’ve been ignoring in the hope that it naturally settles (and to avoid confrontation with him), is the fact that their dog barks the ENTIRE TIME he is left in the house alone. Barks loudly and howls. So bad that me making a phone call is nigh on impossible. It’s often overnight also, so that is hell for DD especially. This happened today and I’ve taken to recording clips of it just in case it’s needed in future. When it finally stopped, presumably as he came home, the first thing I did, was quietly let DDog out as I’d kept him in during the barking due to the noise coming from their side. Well, this was a mistake as their dog saw mine and erupted - as per usual! Mine didn’t bark back at all but DD grabbed the treat tub and told him to come in for obvious reasons and neighbour’s Dad shouts “FUCKING TWATS!!!!!” over the fence. Now I have never, ever responded to ANY of it but having just endured hours upon hours of their Alsation barking and howling I snapped and said, calmly, “Your dog has been barking all day!!!” to which he shouts “Because of you! YOU’RE CAUSING IT!!!” “Every fucking day you’re in your garden” I reply “And?!” At which point he slams their door and my DD bursts into tears and call me pathetic but so did I. I’m at my wits end. This is my home. My DD’s home and this is almost certainly the last summer of my life. My only hobby is quietly (& I do mean quietly) pottering around in my garden deadheading flowers or pruning roses etc.

  • I don’t ever have visitors besides my 82yr old mother (she’s my only remaining family besides DD) and what friends do bother with me, I just have catch up coffees with in Costa!
  • I don’t play music in my home or my garden. If I listen to a podcast or LBC, it’s on earphones.
  • My dog rarely barks and if he does, it’s only a tiny bit if he is barked at! He did once bark at an Owl ornament I bought but in his defence, it did blink at night time!!
  • I do not speak on the phone in the garden as everyone around me would hear and despite this massive long post, I am quite a quiet person usually!
  • DD is rarely in the garden (more’s the pity!) she prefers gaming! She used to play out front on her scooter with some kids from up the street but she’s been too frightened to, since neighbour’s Dad aggressively told her to “Piss off” once about a year ago when he’d arrived about 5 mins after neighbour had left the house and so, being 9, she told him. Who tells a 9yr old to piss off?

I have reported today’s incident to non-emergency police. However a. Officer won’t be free to talk to me until the end of next week which I’m sad about tbh. I could’ve used the advice as right now, I’m terrified to even let my dog out for a wee, let alone step into my garden.
Again, having escaped extreme DV, it’s very difficult for me to not default to flight mode. I’m still shaking and this happened 2 hours ago. Pathetic, I know. I already struggle with anxiety.

Sorry this was so long but I didn’t want to miss anything out and have to correct people or be accused of drip feeding!

There’s nothing I can do, is there?

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ScribblingPixie · Today 17:20

Nightmare neighbours for sure. Surely the fact that you're in a housing association place is your saving grace here, OP. They need to move you (or , better, them!), and with your health, you will surely get a sympathetic hearing. I agree with the suggestion to contact your local councillor/MP as well as the police to get this sorted.

Miyagi99 · Today 17:20

TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 17:11

Housing association 🙈 I know, I know, we’re hated by many.

You can definitely get them evicted for harassment then. I had some very antisocial neighbours and it only took a few reports to the police and their landlord from myself and some of my other neighbours and they were evicted within a few months.

Alouest · Today 17:20

This is terrible. I'm so sorry. I have no help to offer but sending a handhold.

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TheBeautifulMoors · Today 17:20

TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 17:02

Harrogate, North Yorkshire

What a horrible situation for you! How can they treat you this way, especially given your health?!

Balloonhearts · Today 17:22

Honestly, if he was abusing my 9 year old and I had a year to live, I'd be round there with a fucking hammer putting his windows in. I'd be dead before the court date anyway. Tossers.

TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 17:22

ScribblingPixie · Today 17:20

Nightmare neighbours for sure. Surely the fact that you're in a housing association place is your saving grace here, OP. They need to move you (or , better, them!), and with your health, you will surely get a sympathetic hearing. I agree with the suggestion to contact your local councillor/MP as well as the police to get this sorted.

I have to wait until next week for police to get back to me as they’re bogged down same with housing association but I’m making Monday’s mission all about getting in touch with my local MP.

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GoddammitPrincess · Today 17:22

You sound a wee bit better @TotallyTangerineGeumDon’t you love it when the mumsnet vipers come out in force to support and empathise?

Go out in the goddam garden now get that lettuce and take your mumsnet mates with you!

Feel that viper force!!!

TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 17:22

Balloonhearts · Today 17:22

Honestly, if he was abusing my 9 year old and I had a year to live, I'd be round there with a fucking hammer putting his windows in. I'd be dead before the court date anyway. Tossers.

Did cross my mind, I won’t lie.

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GottaBeStrong · Today 17:22

TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 16:50

Moving is now my aim. Might not be do-able, but I can’t deal with this. The dog is begging to go into the garden to play and I need some tomatoes from my greenhouse but I can’t risk it! :(

This is what they are hoping. They are trying to have the same control and power over you that an intimate partner abuser does. They are trying to intimidate you.

I would go into your garden with your headphones on and ignore them. Do what you need to do. If it escalates, call the police again.

I don't think you are pathetic at all. I have CPTSD and I react the same way. It is paralysing. Part of recovery is reminding yourself that these people are not your abuser. They are just your 'arsehole' neighbours. They have no power over you. You haven't done anything wrong. You are not trapped. They may make you feel trapped but that's an illusion. What are they gonna do? Shout out at you... Like the big bullies they are. Just ignore them. Bullies can't stand it when their abusive tactics don't work and they don't get a reaction.

Is the man even legally entitled to be living there if it is a housing association property that his daughter is the tenant of?

TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 17:24

GoddammitPrincess · Today 17:22

You sound a wee bit better @TotallyTangerineGeumDon’t you love it when the mumsnet vipers come out in force to support and empathise?

Go out in the goddam garden now get that lettuce and take your mumsnet mates with you!

Feel that viper force!!!

Funny you should say that, as I was just about to post and say thank you all so much you have genuinely stopped me shaking and that usually lasts 12-24 hours cos I’m a gigantic wuss.

I’ve got some fab advice, thank you all again.

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EarthSight · Today 17:25

I didn't read all of it, but I read enough to express that I think they're bullies and horrible people. Also, I'm sorry you have to experience this on top of your diagnosis :(

@MyKindHiker Given how long the Council will take to even start sorting this out, I'd be tempted to say that's a good idea. If you're going to go down that route, I'd be looking for local security firms. It's an unusual request that I'm not sure they would cover, but I imagine it would be a soft, nice gig for the guy in question. All he has to do is turn up and have a chat about a pre-arranged topic. He has to sound familiar enough with you for the neighbours to think he'll be coming around again, otherwise it won't work.

sunnydayyzz · Today 17:25

OP I really think you need to go out and spend all weekend in your garden with your dog. I wouldn't yell back at the man as others have suggested because otherwise he can say you're aggressive to him too. Just ignore him, record his behaviour and wait for him to stomp off indoors with his dog.

ScribblingPixie · Today 17:25

TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 17:22

I have to wait until next week for police to get back to me as they’re bogged down same with housing association but I’m making Monday’s mission all about getting in touch with my local MP.

Good idea, you can't take these horrible people on yourself. My MIL has had similar and they're beyond reason.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · Today 17:25

I’m so sorry your neighbours are bullying you. Most people would react the same as you, I would. Do you have any old bolshy or male friends you could seek support from? Anyone who hears about this would want to support you if they could.

Lentilcakes · Today 17:25

That sounds awful and you’ve got some good advice here.
Id definitely get back to all the agencies - council, HA and don’t take no for an answer - be the squeaky wheel.

Dalesway · Today 17:27

@TotallyTangerineGeum I'm so sorry you're living next door to scum. I know it's easier said than done but don't be scared to go in your garden.

If you meet the local threshold for complaints you can request a formal review. Details in link below. Your MP or councillor should be able go tell you who is the lead agency in your area and you can find out more about the threshold then and keep reporting everything incident until you meet it. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/anti-social-behaviour-asb-case-review-also-known-as-the-community-trigger

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Anti-social behaviour case review

Explains how victims of persistent antisocial behaviour have the right to request a case review where a local threshold is met.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/anti-social-behaviour-asb-case-review-also-known-as-the-community-trigger

TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 17:28

GottaBeStrong · Today 17:22

This is what they are hoping. They are trying to have the same control and power over you that an intimate partner abuser does. They are trying to intimidate you.

I would go into your garden with your headphones on and ignore them. Do what you need to do. If it escalates, call the police again.

I don't think you are pathetic at all. I have CPTSD and I react the same way. It is paralysing. Part of recovery is reminding yourself that these people are not your abuser. They are just your 'arsehole' neighbours. They have no power over you. You haven't done anything wrong. You are not trapped. They may make you feel trapped but that's an illusion. What are they gonna do? Shout out at you... Like the big bullies they are. Just ignore them. Bullies can't stand it when their abusive tactics don't work and they don't get a reaction.

Is the man even legally entitled to be living there if it is a housing association property that his daughter is the tenant of?

Thank you. I will genuinely remember this and remind myself of it.

I don’t think so but the HA call handler didn’t sound remotely fussed.

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TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 17:28

Dalesway · Today 17:27

@TotallyTangerineGeum I'm so sorry you're living next door to scum. I know it's easier said than done but don't be scared to go in your garden.

If you meet the local threshold for complaints you can request a formal review. Details in link below. Your MP or councillor should be able go tell you who is the lead agency in your area and you can find out more about the threshold then and keep reporting everything incident until you meet it. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/anti-social-behaviour-asb-case-review-also-known-as-the-community-trigger

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Thank you so much for this, I had no idea this was even a thing! 💪

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Blondeshavemorefun · Today 17:29

Sorry you are going through this and your limited time 💐

you say you escaped dv. Is this your ex/dd dad ?

the council have the right to protect you

record anything you can for evidence

don’t shout back

he’s a bully

the80sweregreat · Today 17:29

I have watched those terrible neighbour programmes on tv , some people are just deranged and can cause such misery. I dread mine moving on as they are so nice and quiet.
Some good advice on here , keep on at the HA / council your MP. Someone must be able to do something.

NarnianQueen · Today 17:30

I’m so sorry you’re going through this. I hope a local mumsnetter can pop round and give them a fucking mouthful. In fact I think it should be a mumsnet project for anyone nearby to come round and do this whenever it’s necessary

PermanentlyExhaustedPigeonZZZ · Today 17:30

I totally understand their comments trigger PTSD and telling you to ignore them is no help at all.

But I wanted to reassure you that their comments are as meaningless as the barking from their dog. You are entitled to enjoy your garden, be in it all the day long, and make normal noise provided it's not during the night hours. Perhaps wear noise cancelling headphones and try to remember their issues with you are everything to do with them and nothing to do with you. Don't keep your dog in even if the other dog is barking. Again, their issues with their poorly trained dog.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · Today 17:32

Have you got a hose pipe? I’d be a bit tempted to be watering in my headphones, and when they shout turn to say, ‘Pardon? What?’, and wave it casually in their direction

ConcernedOfSussex · Today 17:32

Fatiguedwithlife · Today 17:01

In fact, where do you live? I’m sure a brave MNEr would go round and tell him for you

Exactly. I'm sure we could get a possy together. Where are you OP?

ThisISmycircusandtheseAREmymonkeys · Today 17:32

Do you have a local FB group, you could post to ”ask” for advice on the quickest way to deal with abusive neighbour? Say what you said here, that you are ill and can no longer spend time in your own garden without being abused. I am sure some neighbours won’t mind helping you out.

It sounds awful.

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