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Labour isn't Working - Thread 34

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Nuthatch26 · 04/06/2026 13:53

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Nuthatch26 · 13/06/2026 08:54

EasternStandard · 13/06/2026 08:46

Starmer must be feeling a lonely bollard.

Team Burnham does not keep count, but estimates are that about 200 (out of 402) Labour MPs have campaigned in this constituency in the past month, before the Makerfield by-election on Thursday.
Many have been several times. One organiser says: “I know MPs who have been there four or five times and are planning to be there a lot in the final week.”

Labour campaigners are told to say on door knocks, “I’m calling on behalf of Andy Burnham” rather than, “I’m calling on behalf of Labour”

I feel sorry for the good people of Makerfield. Bet they can't wait for this to be over.

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Nuthatch26 · 13/06/2026 08:56

And yes, he's a very lonely bollard 😂

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Nuthatch26 · 13/06/2026 08:57

Somewhere, behind the prime minister’s eyeballs, it seemed as if a very tired Victorian shoe shop owner were inside his brain, slowly moving up and down a creaking ladder in a dusty store room, searching for the right words, in the right size, that he just knew were around here somewhere. 😂

https://www.thetimes.com/article/6765321a-6bd8-4977-b476-56da6dff15ca?shareToken=cfaa24fade86e4d04b02e91c0426bdfd

Keir Starmer — what is he good for? Absolutely nothing?

The prime minister shows his lack of charisma can be a boon in a crisis, but John Healey and Al Carns’ resignations have left Labour battle-scarred

https://www.thetimes.com/article/6765321a-6bd8-4977-b476-56da6dff15ca?shareToken=cfaa24fade86e4d04b02e91c0426bdfd

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TheNoWord · 13/06/2026 09:01

"The Labour government is on a mission to halve violence against women and girls (Vawg) in the next 10 years – one of its most ambitious manifesto policies at the last general election. Yet a data investigation by The House has revealed that since 2024 Vawg has actually increased in the UK – despite a downward trend before that."

Yet another empty soundbite from this government, another promise they can’t fulfil.

www.politicshome.com/news/article/violence-against-women-and-girls-rises-despite-key-labour-pledge

Nuthatch26 · 13/06/2026 09:21

TheNoWord · 13/06/2026 09:01

"The Labour government is on a mission to halve violence against women and girls (Vawg) in the next 10 years – one of its most ambitious manifesto policies at the last general election. Yet a data investigation by The House has revealed that since 2024 Vawg has actually increased in the UK – despite a downward trend before that."

Yet another empty soundbite from this government, another promise they can’t fulfil.

www.politicshome.com/news/article/violence-against-women-and-girls-rises-despite-key-labour-pledge

Thank you.
Jeez that's awful to read. The line "more to do" at the end makes my blood boil.
You're right, its all soundbites while women and girls suffer.

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NoWordForFluffy · 13/06/2026 09:44

Nuthatch26 · 13/06/2026 08:50

Oh thats excellent. 😂
Spot on JKR.

He's happy with 'the plan' that he hasn't even seen, yet those who have seen it resigned! 🤣🤣
Don't they realise how ridiculous they look when they do this? Crazy.

Was it you who mentioned Comical Ali the other day?! 🙈🤣

Upstartled · 13/06/2026 12:12

Nuthatch26 · 13/06/2026 08:50

Oh thats excellent. 😂
Spot on JKR.

He's happy with 'the plan' that he hasn't even seen, yet those who have seen it resigned! 🤣🤣
Don't they realise how ridiculous they look when they do this? Crazy.

There it is. It's faith. He has faith in the PM, so he doesn't need to see the plan. Healey and Carns have seen the plan and rejected it, but Jarvis doesn't need to see and he knows we will approve because he has put his faith in Starmer. Ffs. How can we have accountability and divergence of opinion leading to sensible compromise when we have acolytes in the cabinet? The bloody defence secretary as well. 🤦🏼‍♀️

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/06/2026 12:19

Upstartled · 13/06/2026 12:12

There it is. It's faith. He has faith in the PM, so he doesn't need to see the plan. Healey and Carns have seen the plan and rejected it, but Jarvis doesn't need to see and he knows we will approve because he has put his faith in Starmer. Ffs. How can we have accountability and divergence of opinion leading to sensible compromise when we have acolytes in the cabinet? The bloody defence secretary as well. 🤦🏼‍♀️

The (foolish) man being interviewed was Peter Kyle, wasn’t it?

Upstartled · 13/06/2026 12:23

Yes, it is. I'll get my coat ...

Upstartled · 13/06/2026 12:26

The other day I mixed up Sean Bean and Robert Carlyle...I think I might be peak brain fog at the moment.

Nuthatch26 · 13/06/2026 12:36

Upstartled · 13/06/2026 12:26

The other day I mixed up Sean Bean and Robert Carlyle...I think I might be peak brain fog at the moment.

I'm with you on the brain fog. I keep getting lost in places I know well. 🙄
Anyway I knew what you meant, your post was spot on. Embarrassing that anyone from the govt went on TV to defend a plan that they hadn't actually seen because they have so much faith in Starmer.

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EasternStandard · 13/06/2026 12:36

SpaceRaccoon · 13/06/2026 08:43

Hahaha this is hilarious 😂

So good. The whole thing and JKR’s response.

How smart they are, the plan the plan 😂

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/06/2026 12:36

Upstartled · 13/06/2026 12:26

The other day I mixed up Sean Bean and Robert Carlyle...I think I might be peak brain fog at the moment.

No probs. All of these Labour people are as useless as each other. Interchangeable losers.

It is an interesting feature of Starmer that he manages to surround himself with the most incompetent people in Labour. And when he tries to recruit wisdom and experience he picks…Mandelson!

Nuthatch26 · 13/06/2026 12:39

Interchangeable losers is 👌😁

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EasternStandard · 13/06/2026 12:40

There’s a type of Labour voice that all sounds the same. Especially the Starmer contingent.

Upstartled · 13/06/2026 12:42

There's a piece in the telegraph today which suggests that Milliband is the front runner to be chancellor in a Burnham cabinet. I think this might be the worst case scenario.

Nuthatch26 · 13/06/2026 12:42

EasternStandard · 13/06/2026 12:40

There’s a type of Labour voice that all sounds the same. Especially the Starmer contingent.

Yes they're all becoming indistinguishable, and increasingly irrelevant.
I think the public and most Labour MPs have moved on and see Starmer & Co as yesterday's men.

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Nuthatch26 · 13/06/2026 12:44

Upstartled · 13/06/2026 12:42

There's a piece in the telegraph today which suggests that Milliband is the front runner to be chancellor in a Burnham cabinet. I think this might be the worst case scenario.

Thats the rumour. Joy.

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Pacificsunshine · 13/06/2026 14:07

Nuthatch26 · 13/06/2026 08:21

Andy Burnham's interview in The Times this morning, link below if anyone cares. 😂
I read half, then skipped to the comments.

He's promising the moon on a stick, as he does.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/1f3d91c6-d827-4469-bb30-ece38501930e?shareToken=8da9623b06f54c68cafdf19f3e0f751d

Social value in procurement is a terrible, terrible thing. Where it is applied already it allocated resources inefficiently and puts a drag on efficiency. Sounds nice, is terrible.

If anyone is interested in the ins and outs of social value in public procurement, I am happy to give chapter and verse- but I don’t want to bore you.

LupaMoonhowl · 13/06/2026 17:33

NoWordForFluffy · 13/06/2026 07:29

I’ ve blocked him on X because I simply can’t bear him - he is the worst - compared to him I even feel affection for old mad grandad Corbyn.

Albertroad · 13/06/2026 19:23

Pacificsunshine · 13/06/2026 14:07

Social value in procurement is a terrible, terrible thing. Where it is applied already it allocated resources inefficiently and puts a drag on efficiency. Sounds nice, is terrible.

If anyone is interested in the ins and outs of social value in public procurement, I am happy to give chapter and verse- but I don’t want to bore you.

I'm quite interested!

NoWordForFluffy · 13/06/2026 19:31

Albertroad · 13/06/2026 19:23

I'm quite interested!

Me too!

Way back in the mists of time I worked at a place which sold disposable medical supplies to hospitals. The more they bought in one order, the cheaper they were. However, it seems that hospitals don't have joined up procurement, so we'd end up with a number of orders all going to different wards and all at the maximum price payable as they'd order separately. Bonkers.

There are some people on here who swear that there isn't much wastefulness in the public sector. I beg to differ!

SapphireCasino · 13/06/2026 20:21

@Pacificsunshine i'm always interested in procurement

It's Saturday night - rock 'n' roll 😂

justasking111 · 13/06/2026 21:23

NoWordForFluffy · 13/06/2026 19:31

Me too!

Way back in the mists of time I worked at a place which sold disposable medical supplies to hospitals. The more they bought in one order, the cheaper they were. However, it seems that hospitals don't have joined up procurement, so we'd end up with a number of orders all going to different wards and all at the maximum price payable as they'd order separately. Bonkers.

There are some people on here who swear that there isn't much wastefulness in the public sector. I beg to differ!

My friend worked in hospice procurement for medical equipment. She was allowed to haggle.

After 20 years ranting about her procurement job in the NHS she found it wonderful.

Pacificsunshine · 13/06/2026 21:55

Okay! Here’s the deal with “social value.”

Every public authority (central government, local authorities, public charities, such as museums) has to run a public tender for any contract for goods or services above £214k, and any works (construction) above £5.31M. This threshold changes every year to stay in alignment with the EU.

These tenders are highly regulated, and must follow all the rules and regulations of the Procurement Act of 2023. If a local authority screws up the process or makes a mistake, they can be sued by the suppliers. Some large construction companies actually have teams of people to bid on tenders their firm doesn’t even want, so that they will have standing to challenge the procurement and hopefully get a payoff. Easy money.

Basically, the procurement regulations considered every “stakeholder”, except of course the tax payer.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2023/54/contents

In addition to the act, the government sets out a National Procurement Policy that creates further requirements for authorities to have due regard to this and that.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ab332fd41dfb0b59cec46a/E03274856_National_Procurement_Policy_Statement_Accessible.pdf

I think I am building up the picture here that whenever a procurement person buys something in the public sector, value for money will be low in the list. They will be panicking over a range of competing requirements and trying not to get their employer sued.

In this delightful melange of competing requirements comes social value. This is where any tender must weight social value at 10%.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ppn-002-taking-account-of-social-value-in-the-award-of-contracts/ppn-002-guide-to-using-the-social-value-model-html

Fulfilling the social value element of tenders is so burdensome, a cottage industry as sprung up offering advice and consultation to help authorities manage.

So what happens in practice? Tenders are set up with criteria and weightings that say: social value is 10% of a bidder’s score, and price 40%, and sustainability 10%, etc.

Bidders might be bidding to keep the lawns mown, or provide catering, or repair facilities etc. Thrown in with all the questions relevant to the service actually being bid on will be what can you do to benefit the community if you win the contract? This is where bidders come up with a range of offers, sometimes completely unrelated to the contract. They might offer apprenticeships, a donation, or other freebies.

The problems with this are:
-10% is enough to swing the scoring away from the best supplier for the relevant service
-the authority pays for this in the end, the bidders just build it into their costs
-the subject matter experts evaluating the bid are experts on the relevant service, not on whatever social value inducement is being offered

In short, it’s an inefficient way to increase social value. Much better to let an authority buy what it actually needs in an efficient, straightforward manner. The money saved by doing this could then be spent by people who know what they are doing who have a joined up plan.

I personally know of people who built up profitable firms by gaming social value.

So….that’s my TED talk!

Procurement Act 2023

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2023/54/contents

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