Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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Never been an issue until it is in the most horrific way. Shouldn’t be allowed full stop & known knife carrying, weapons obsessed individuals should be dealt with with the full force of the law - never treated leniently.

@VillageFeteyou’re free to argue that the law should be changed and that no religious exemptions should exist. That's a legitimate policy debate.

What doesn't follow is blaming an entire faith because one individual committed a murder.

The UK doesn't grant exemptions because it's "less Christian" than it used to be. It grants them because, historically, British law has tried to balance public safety with freedom of religion. If Parliament decides that balance should change, that's a matter for lawmakers.

But "one lunatic abused a privilege, therefore nobody of that faith can be trusted" isn't a principle most people would apply consistently. We don't normally remove rights from millions of law-abiding people because one person committed a crime.

The murderer is responsible for the murder. That's where the blame belongs.

...and behind many a warmongering thuggish man there'll be a mummy or a sister or wife either covering up for him or egging him on.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/02/keir-starmer-far-right-exploit-henry-nowak-murder

I think this article says it better.

‘Far right’
Starmer’s only refrain.

Just heard that the murderer has previous conviction for stealing ceremonial swords from a ‘temple’

Noone should be carrying a knife. How can we be telling teenagers not to carry a knife, when there are exceptions for one community?

The 'far right' insult holds as much water with me as 'TERF' these days.

Having said that, there is some very weird shit going on with internecine community beefs. In Derby there was some kickoff that resulted in the murder of a DPD delivery driver over some slight to some guys honour at a Mela

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002dqw1

Digwa (sentencing remarks go into this) was from the Nihang sect who believe they need 2 knives (hence Blue turban). There have been scuffles at gurdwaras recently that I'm not fully apprised of and there's still protests at some gurdwaras over interfaith weddings. Be interesting to see if he was on the radar of Prevent.

Probably should have been.

Prick clearly thought of himself as a gangsta or warrior

No. Just no. I can’t get on board with this.

No Sikh should be allowed/able to walk around with an offensive, deadly weapon. I couldn’t care less what their religion dictates, but I do care that we, as a Country say “Oh, ok then - it’s part of their faith”

This privilege needs revoking. I cannot believe it’s the right of a Sikh to carry a deadly weapon.

I imagine the Sikh community will be horrified by what’s happened, and i’m not for one minute condemning them as people, but it’s fucking lunacy to think it’s ok for them to walk around armed.

He wasn’t convicted. The police didn’t charge. They knew about him and his behaviour and did nothing. Or have the reports updated? They may have been wrong earlier as reporters are just getting into it.

Why are you only mentioning Sikhs? What about the Scots? We can carry; our men can wear a sgian dbuh when in Scottish dress.

You know quite well why I’m mentioning Sikhs.

Do Scots carry it for religious reasons? Regardless of any reason - NOBODY, as I stated in an earlier reply, should be allowed to carry an offensive weapon.

Stop the Scots from wearing a dagger in their socks. Same rules for everyone knives in public, no cultural or religious exemption. Henry's law.

Well not really because the poor kid would not be dead if it wasnt for this evil monster carrying this weapon. Why does anyone need to carry a weapon like that in public for any reason? A religious belief of any kind is not a good
enough reason or justification.

oh, so it’s ok to carry when it’s tradition like for the Scot’s. But not when it’s for religion. Got it. Glad we cleared that up.

How much difference would that make to knife crime? How many incidents of knife crime each year would be stopped, or at pre-emptied?

Where on earth did you get that from? I stated NOBODY should be allowed, multiple times now.

Cultural, Religious or simply “because you want to” - NO .

You said I knew why you were singling out Sikhs. You asked sarcastically if Scot’s did it for religious reasons. Because you’re clearly insinuating that religion is the problem. Maybe a bit of a religious bigotry poking through your wide eyed knives are bad argument? Otherwise you wouldn’t have said “you know why I’m talking about Sikhs” or asked if Scot’s don’t for religion.

I didn’t know until now that Sikh men carried ceremonial blades. What happens when they go on aeroplanes, or travel abroad?
Small blades for work or similar purposes aren’t illegal, so I think the Sikh blade is also a reasonable thing to allow.
The killer was a violent man obsessed with weapons, whose family tried to cover for him, it has nothing to do with Sikhs in general.

Never ok to carry a weapon full stop

Neither did I. I can’t believe it’s allowed.
We’re certainly kept in the dark about a lot.

Well before today
I didn't know the Scots carried blades either.

Why can a Scot legally carry a blade?

Kept in the dark? This was reported on when the conservatives were in charge during the last knife crime bill going through and this exemption was reaffirmed.

The reason you don’t hear about it is because Sikhs don’t go around stabbing people. It is not a systemic problem.

A lot more Scottish white men stab each other with illegally carried knives that Sikh men ever have with their legally carried knives. No one has ever gone down to parliament and demanded that sgian dhubs are outlawed because we can’t be trusted with them. And I don’t think there’s been many cases of them being used in any stabbings. The legal knives carried for tradition are not the problem when it comes to knife crime. Because Sikhs are taught from an early age of their significance, and of the responsibility of carrying them. As are Scottish boys when they have one.

I long ago stopped trusting our police force I'm afraid. They have destroyed my confidence by their horrific misogyny, their treatment of women who won't bow down to the men pretending to be women, the disgraceful numbers of male P Os who abuse their wives /girlfriends abd aren't sacked, the never ending scandals especially in London, dancing with the fetishists at Pride marches. Frankly they don't deserve our respect, what happened to policing "without fear or favour"?