Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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The police were told they shouldn’t treat everyone the same . That’s the problem we’re discussing. That’s why Henry was handcuffed and Dingwa wasn’t

Yes, agreed. Great that people like the CEO of Iceland are speaking out. Otherwise people with a liberal-left mindset, including govt, BBC etc etc get away with insisting that two tier policing and two tier criminal justice system is just a right wing fantasy.

Of course findings shouldn’t be ignored, who on earth thinks they should? But you seem focused entirely on one aspect of those findings. I haven’t checked but presumably as a Catholic you know, how many of the IICSA recommendations have been implemented in relation to the church? And why wasn’t there such a push for a standalone public inquiry into sexual and physical abuse in the Catholic Church?

No - I’m saying that Sara Sharif’s terrible suffering and death could probably have been prevented if the people she came into contact with were not so influenced or intimidated by religious and cultural sensitivities

And I’m indicating to you that there are instances where the police and criminal justice system don’t ’treat everyone the same’ that you are not at all upset about - like being searched by a female officer, or remanded to a women’s prison. Is that ‘two tier’ policing or are you ok with that?

I would never stand in the way of full and complete transparency regarding the safety of children- whether in the Catholic Church or in any other community.
At the moment we are discussing how fear of appearing racist means that justice is not always done.

Sara Sharif was known to services, those neighbours reporting is unlikely to have made a difference.

But honestly why are you making excuses for them? What kind of shitty person doesn’t report that a child is screaming or crying day and night because they might be ‘called racist’? People who lack courage lack courage, it’s not the fault of any perceived cultural narrative or police guidance.

There’s no evidence social workers were afraid to be called racist. They made other terrible mistakes, but that wasn’t one of them.

You are using excuses to justify racism.

Again, I’m responding to an example that you brought in for comparison. As a person who cares about children being protected, you’d want see all the IICSA recommendations implemented, surely? And as a Catholic, those ones must be closer to your everyday life than some of the others.

If you’re not bothered about them, one wonders whether you’re that bothered about children attending Catholic activities, or whether actually you’re just using ‘grooming gangs’ to cement your existing beliefs.

Your strange comment reflects exactly the sort of lack of common sense that has led to the problems we have now…

How on earth could you say that it is “two tier” policing to have a woman searched by a female police officer ( and conversely a man by a male officer)

Exactly, and this approach is specifically related to ethnicity: treating ethnic minorities more favourably to create more equitable outcomes. An example is reigning in stop and search. These policies, while they may be well intentioned, actually don't help anyone in the long run.

Hmm…
An eight year old with a hijab when her stepmother didn’t wear one …

Also - Your view that the neighbours lack of reporting is unlikely to have made a difference… what has made you decide that ? Do you think the neighbours would have been ignored?

Even now, child leave care homes, prostitute themselves, the CH managers know this, the Police too, yet what is being done to protect these children? SFA

@Alexandra2001 I agree this is shocking, but didn’t the care home managers say they couldn’t prevent the children from leaving?

Yes, there's some very tenuous arguments on this thread!

The fact that you think it’s ‘strange’ to have different treatment for some groups according to need and not others, tells me a lot about you.

You’re being offensive and you’re deflecting.

You need to read posts more carefully. You seem to only see what you imagine is there …

Not my conclusion, that of the safeguarding review. I try not just make stuff up, prefer to be informed.

😜 Ok

Race contributed to the families’ ability to hide Sara’s abuse. An 8 year old suddenly wearing a hijab and then being pulled out of school ….
“Racism concerns
Neighbours of the Sharif family did at times hear things that worried them, but the review found that "they were worried about reporting concerns about what they heard within the family's home. They feared being branded as being racist, especially on social media".
Sara started wearing the hijab in 2021 when she was only eight years old, even though her stepmother did not.
The review found that the "school showed appropriate curiosity by talking to Sara and stepmother and accepted the explanation that this was linked to Sara's interest with Pakistani culture following a visit to her paternal grandparents in Pakistan".
In the last months of Sara's life the the hijab hid the bruising and injuries to her face and head.”

Men and woman are biologically different though. Having policies that acknowledge that is fine.
I'm not biologically different to another woman though, regardless of race. Race and religion don't need the same special protections.

I'm not justifying it. Nice try though.

No, I’m asking you what you mean by your own statements. You don’t seem to remember what you say from one post to the next.

You introduced the topic of abuse in the Catholic Church. There hasn’t been a standalone inquiry into abuse in the Catholic Church, it was a part of the IICSA that the pp mentioned. Have those recommendations been implemented? It would seem obvious to know what changes were made. For example, in my professional and personal fields I know exactly what recommendations were relevant and which ones are in progress etc. Because it matters to my everyday life.

Fair enough, you only want people treated differently if they are biologically different. Assuming you extend biology to also mean physiology and you would include different treatment for disability too?

I think this is quite an interesting take and underlines the scale of the problem.

Namely to believe or complain that there is two tier policing or that policing guidelines led to the prioritisation of a racism accusation over a stabbing victim is a "racist view" .

It is this level of insanity and indoctrination that has created the problem we all now face.