Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5536249-henry-nowak?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Does anyone know who and when it was discovered he had been fatality stabbed ?

But how?
I am positive the court stated that Henry did not even put his hands up to defend himself and he had stab wounds to the back of his legs.
It is likely Henry did try to grab his phone back. There will be signs left on Henry's hands if he had punched. And in Dirwan's face or body. It seems that it was not the case and Henry did not pose any danger to any of them, at any time.

Yep. They didn’t assess the situation at all.

People talk like these are not global issues, stopping the importing of drugs requires global action. So long as people take drugs - drugs will be sold.

Trevor Phillips is excellent
https://x.com/skynews/status/2063530892744708121?s=12

People talk about their spheres of influence.

Self, family, community, country. The internet gives you an algorithmic view of the world, but not necessarily the power to change it. (Though I think Mumsnet may be akin to observation diaries for anyone with an interest.)

The Iceland CEO’s son was appointed as a Labour Lord by Kier Starmer. Things could get testy over the Sunday roast.

The sad irony being many of the (especially online) activist class see Trevor as a "sellout" or worse terms because he pointed out racism against Jewish people is A Bad Thing

Trevor Phillips has integrity. Something sadly lacking in most political figures and commentators.

" Hampshire Police tried to intervene in Vickrum Digwa’s murder trial (a highly unusual move while proceedings were ongoing).
The force wanted to issue a public statement addressing what it called “disinformation” circulating online about the case. The statement would have reminded the public about legal proceedings and warned against publishing anything that could prejudice the trial. It was motivated in part by concerns over online commentary and potential public disorder.

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) warned the police that this could risk “jeopardising the integrity” of the case and prejudice the trial. The CPS told them it was ultimately a police operational decision, but the force ultimately dropped the plan.

• Three days after Henry Nowak’s death, police drafted a statement that would have portrayed him as the aggressor.
An initial draft statement (later that morning after the December 4, 2025 stabbing) read: “It was reported two men had been assaulted by an unknown man.”
This implied Nowak had assaulted Digwa and his brother, even though police already had evidence (including bodycam footage and other details) showing Digwa had stabbed Nowak.

The Nowak family became concerned a false narrative was being pushed. Police told the family that the next update (which was going to include the family’s tribute) would again infer Henry was the initial aggressor.

Following outrage from the grieving family, officers dropped that section. The final published statement only referred to an “altercation.”

The Sunday Times also notes that by this point police had “ample evidence that Digwa was a liar” (including his false racial-abuse claim and a secretly recorded conversation in the police van where he admitted the stabbing to his brother and discussed claiming self-defence)."

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Article in Sunday Times here
https://www.thetimes.com/article/3017a578-554d-4fd6-884a-5513fbeae5be?shareToken=c5905683ef9fa274b82578b1e80cd04a

What a fucking mess. That's shocking.
Need a complete overhaul of policing.

Just gets worse and worse

Good question. I have no answer, but it makes a change from arguments that have more to do with the poster's political leanings than this exact case.

Okay. So the police need to be investigated and the person who pushed for this needs to be identified. This is queasy stuff, suggesting a need for a narrative for the police and their agenda. An agenda that looks increasingly suspect.

All of the guidance on inclusion and training needs to be reviewed by the Home Office. If it is a problem in Hampshire it is likely a problem elsewhere. There seems to be a cadre of people making a living from this which is creating problems. They could do with a lot more scrutiny.

The statement plan by the police is disgusting. Who proposed it and why. People should know.

Hampshire police should not be surprised by public disorder if this is how they do things. Policing like this is agenda politics. It is actually two tier. It creates a condition for civil unrest.

Also, on the recording we can hear the conversation between the brother and the call handler. Would that exact same recording have gone to the police on their way there or would they have relied upon the call-handler's interpretation of what he'd been told?
There is a difference between a mouth bleeding because, for instance, a tooth has been knocked out, and blood 'coming out of mouth' because someone's wounded in their intestines and I don't know what the exact words were that the attending police had been given.
I couldn't give a damn if someone tells me I'm nit-picking. Exact words are what courts of law and enquiries deal with and the exact words spoken by a person carry a message to the hearer.

Labour deny any issues. They won’t fix it if they can’t acknowledge the huge mess.

Kemi badenoch blames senior police for the faulty anti racist framework which police have to follow - but where were the Crime Commissioners , what is their role, do they do anything. And the politicians pushing the woke / inclusive requirements in businesses, the NHS, police, schools etc etc

I looked up the number of arrests made by police in England last year -668,797

What happened in Southampton is tragic and unforgivable but changes are needed across the board -sadly I don’t think this Gov will achieve that

Whatever this sentence of your means? I cannot get what you mean.
But, anyway, global or not global, illegal drugs are a police obligation to tackle. So is shop lifting, destruction of property, threatening and intimidating of shop keepers (which is a recurrent issue being reported).
If they have to go international with the policing, well, we already have this stablished. They can use the interpol and coordinate operations.

I know he did nothing.
I’m sure I read that was pre meditated that the killer was looking to attack someone, anyone.
His sentence needs to be far longer than it is.

100%.
I can’t face the thought of another 3 years of them.
Not a decent person among them…Starmer and Lammy really take the biscuit to put it mildly! Something is very wrong and I’ve lived through many decades.

Particularly the removal of a few years because of his religion, so he was allowed to carry a knife.
Being allowed to carry a knife and using it as a weapon are two very different things, and once used as a weapon, nobody should be able to claim any exceptions.

Starmer is denying it. Lammy is doubling down and saying colour- blind policing is bad.

Yep. They’re alone on this though.

Awful they’re in charge still as we have to put up with their glaring fuck ups.