Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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That’s different because Andy Burnham has distanced himself from Keir Starmer and presents himself as being separate from this government administration. He’s currently 10 points ahead in the polls for the Makerfield election. This is also because Reform and Restore are splitting the vote, it would have been very different if Restore hadn’t fielded their own candidate.

Labour have said they'll toughen many qualifying criteria and extend to 10 years, also retrospective.

But its all a bit moot if no one knows where they are or can deport them, many countries will refuse to accept back their citizens.

Its also a bit rich to invite people here, in their millions with partners, children, parents etc but then say you cab XXXX off now....

Whatever Reform say, it wont happen (see above reasons) and as for the Tories, talk about poacher turned game keeper.... they bloody well caused this.

Why do you think they still need to wear them today in 21st century Britain?

Personally, as an atheist, I am fed up with these grievances and beliefs from hundreds of years ago being used as an excuse to harm or oppress people. Nobody cares if I am offended by their stupid and backward beliefs and I am offended all the time by the stupidity and ignorance. 1, 2, 3 deleted by mumsnet mods. Cause you can't criticise religion on here.

All the governments seem to have caused this situation in one way and another and Tony Blair definitely started it

i wish some of them would return home, why anyone thought it was a good idea to allow so much immigration is beyond me.

Re Blair: Celebrate Diversity. That was his slogan.

No one wanted this level of immigration.

Whether it s a bit rich or not to tell them times up, game over it has gone way beyond that point…why should their feelings trump our own. It’s not working, never has and needs to end.

Anyone I speak to couldn’t give two figs anymore our way of life is being destroyed. Time for millions to leave our generosity has been bled dry.

Exactly!
I think all carrying of knives for any religious or cultural reason should be banned. I had no clue that some of the pedestrians and people I find around are allowed to carry knives. That has quite shocked me, to be honest. And it makes me feel unsafe. Every single community in the world has 99% of lovely, peaceful, nice people. But it is the 1% that is a problem and this will happen again if we do not take the knives away. It was actually this blade what caught Henry's attention and lead to all this. If it had not been there this vile murderer would have nothing to attack him with.

But, as the knife used was not the kirpan, then why is anyone allowed to carry it? Why did the sentence have this reduction? Or can they carry kirpans, this other type of blades, swords and I do not know what else?

Baffled why this thread has become about the Boriswave.

Digwa was born here. The Nowaks are Polish immigrants too.
Either both Polish and Sikh immigrants are British. Or neither is.
You can"t pick and choose depending on religion. Much as many posters here would like to.

Yes, but the Tories are hypocrites, globalists who want to import masses of cheap labour for their friends in big business. The Tories might pretend they want lower immigration but they have never believed it, not for one minute.

A bottomless pit of cheap labour is exactly what the ruling class wants.

I think it's because the Boriswave was about bringing in over a million non-Europeans. When you have a very diverse population, which is more and more diverse as time goes on, problems can arise.

Talking about the Boris wave.
He was all for controlling migration, all for Brexit, gaining control blah blah blah
Then, the facts tell a completely different story.
Farage and Reform and Restore and the whole lot of them are no different. They say a lot of bullshit. You only have to start asking how they will implement their policies, that the castle comes down crashing. But what will really happen? Well, look at Brexit. Pushed by Farage. He will screw the whole country, the economy, the services.
He has more than 5 million pounds cushion to fall into. And he cannot care less.

And the carrying of knives has nothing to do with immigration and all to do with stupid laws that we need to revise (UK 2026, not the past history of the whole world). Alongside this stupidity of equality of outcomes shite.

This is accurate. The UK could have addressed migration levels in the last decades. It was not.

Those diverse Sikhs have a far lower crime rate than Europeans in the U.K, I believe.

All this nonsense about them attacking Muslims with their kirpans in the U.K because of what happened in Mughal times. 🙄

But somehow Digwa’s lies about racism were listened to. That’s what is so disgusting here.

That has nothing to do with Sikhs and everything to do with police incompetence and systemic failure.

yes unfortunately so, it has cost Henry his life as somehow perceived racism is more important than anything else and there lies the tragedy

That has been discussed and acknowledged.
Again, I continue to be baffled about what any of this has to do with the tax levied by Mughals and the facile ChatGPT history summaries posted on here.
If a Frenchman stabbed a British person, would it be relevant to bring up the Napoleonic wars?
Digwa was a violent criminal who had been expelled from his own gurudwara.

I completely agree that it has nothing to do with Sikhs, quite frankly his faith is irrelevant as it is in plenty of other stabbings.

I don't even blame the police officers. What I blame is years of indoctrination and policies that mean police prioritise an accusation of racism more seriously than an innocent 18 year boy dying of stab wounds right in front of their eyes.

I 100% agree with you.
Upon arrival to the crime scene, they had perfectly articulated, walking around and looking in good conditions males saying they had been racially attacked.
Then they had a young male on the floor, semiconscious, saying he had been stabbed and could not breath.
Who they should have prioritised and that the first thing they should have done is checking him over properly is crystal clear. That handcuffs were not needed was also clear.

Sorry if I’ve missed it, but it really screams to me that this was a pre meditated attack. If it wasn’t going to be Henry it was going to be some other innocent (probably white) victim.
The car parked sat in wait, the weapons in the car. That scum was waiting for someone.

the whole thing had sickened me to my core, poor Henry 💔

Then is the issue of carrying functioning knives as religious or cultural exceptions to the law, which I strongly disagree with. And I think we need to revise the law.
The police guidance on equality of outcomes based on ethnicity needs to be binned, pronto. And replaced with equality of treatment and prioritising physical emergency issues over verbal altercations.