Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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Nothing to do with Sikhs especially, but everything to do with 2 tier policing directed by the government.

No, you have to go back to the 50s to see mass non white immigration... funnily enough under the Tories - see Enoch Powell's speech.

When in the EU (ie under Blair, as you mention him) the uk had very strict criteria on non EU migration, hence one argument by the Brexitiers that being in the EU was racist..... well we got what we asked for.

@5MinuteArgument The Boris wave and then followed up by Sunak, was over 4m, NOT 1m.

What evidence do you have of any new Labour Govt directives on 2 tier policing?

This is the problem with this debate, too many seek to make it about their political views.

2 tier policing was never mentioned prior to July 2024, yet it became a common slur just days after Labour got into power.... i wonder why?

Now used extensively over the actions of the incompetent actions of Hampshire police.

No such language used with the Police's treatment of women who have been raped, of ethnic minorities, over the numerous and very recent inquiries into UK Policing, esp in the Met.

We do need a full investigation into the police action in this case. Including this intended statement.
Come on, they ban public discussion of cases to avoid issues with trials and then this lot wants to release an official statement ahead of the verdict? At every step is becoming more apparent that it is the whole police force having serious problems with their policies. And it needs to be tackled ASAP.

'No such language used with the Police's treatment of women who have been raped, of ethnic minorities, over the numerous and very recent inquiries into UK Policing'

Beyond belief. Working class white girls. Raped sexually abused and groomed. For years. By Pakistani - British Pakistani men. Ignored by the police, the government, the establishment. Why?

That’s awful and wrong. The opposite of the Welsh choir boy media narrative. To make out Henry was the aggressor.

'What evidence do you have of any new Labour Govt directives on 2 tier policing?'

See below @Alexandra2001 . Labour were in Government in 2025 weren't they?

'The guidance was introduced in 2025 in response to the 2022 policing race action plan published by the National Police Chiefs' Council and
College of Policing to enhance trust in police, particularly among black communities.'

https://www.lboro.ac.uk/media-centre/press-releases/2026/june/henry-nowak-police-review-anti-racism-guidance/

This! Well said

Leaving aside the disgusting murderer and his family, the complete capitulation to equality training by the police who attended has to be seen to be believed. If we were not shown the body camera evidence we would just think Henry was being aggressive to the police rather than just dying at their feet. Common sense would tell you that someone lying down and saying he was stabbed did not present a danger to the police so why the eagerness to cuff him. But it has been drummed into the police that if anyone implies there has been racism, critical thinking, humanity and common sense go out the window. They were literally following orders from above. If I were a serving police officer I would be looking to leave. Surely this two tier approach to crime cannot sit well with them. It makes them look so dumb. In this instance the cheery, “I don’t think you are mate”, or the “No, but we have to look don’t we” is so craven and embarrassing and frightening. We all pay our taxes for public service - we all deserve equality of that service.

The CEO of Iceland has said there is definitely two tier policing going on. He cites an incident where a black man was tampering with the milk in one of his stores. The sales assistant, an Asian man, asked him to stop. The black guy called the police and told them he was being racially abused and the police were there in minutes - they cuffed the assistant and took him away. It took a few hours before he was released and then the black guy was charged. But he then says that the police are not bothered or do not attend for the growing violence on their staff, or the massive amount of shoplifting. Maybe they need to say the magic word to get the police to attend. Maybe we all should. Then we may, as tax payers, get the service we pay for.

Spot on @Northermcharn The police covered up the grooming/rape gangs.
The police did not believe them or their families as white working class, they turned a blind eye and some…
It stinks to high heaven. Rupert Lowe has had an investigation and still is …other parties refused to investigate.
The details are horrifying and not for anyone to read who doesn’t have a strong stomach. It’s truly barbaric.

The more that comes out about Henry is sickening how the police tried to change the narrative as he’s white. I’d be suing them if I was his parents …I don’t know as I’m not on X but I believe Elon Musk has said he’d a fund a prosecution against the police for the parents.
It needs a total overhaul.
It’s different treatment for different ethnicities.
I’m disgusted by the police utterly disgusted am do not trust them.

It goes to the top. It’s political. Labour use narratives on crime and it filters down.

It’s unbelievable the times we are living in.

The race card trumps everything and our soft touch successive governments have given them the whip hand.

It has cost this poor boy his life as a result, police training DEI has indoctrinated them to put race at the top above injury and anything else.

It happens all the time as in many other cases Calocane, Southport, M’cer arena bomber. All on the radar of various services and the police but not stopped due to fear of a racism cry.

I actually don’t think we are angry enough about this as the details get worse every day and what the police were trying to do.

On your last point and after some further digging it seems that the Police wanted to issue a statement on disinformation circulating in the media regarding this case.

This is very unusual, firstly it's not clear what disinformation the Police were referring to. But any statement made by the trial would create a strong risk of a mistrial and the case collapsing.

If they were concerned about such disinformation influencing the jury then the correct course of action is always to go through the judge, so why release a statement?

Alternatively if the police were concerned about such disinformation reflecting badly on the reputation of Hampshire Police then this would mean that the Hampshire police were prioritising their reputation over the risk of a mistrial and justice for Henry.

So at best it's incompetence and at worst it's prioritising their reputation ahead of justice and the truth.

I have heard of similar cases to the man in the shop above. Recently people have spoken about it. On the radio, two ladies confronted verbally a driver who made an illehal and dangerous manouvre. Said driver reported to have been racially abused and gave the ladies location. Police came in, arrested -with handcuffs- one of them. Took her to the police station for hours. Once they reviewed the CCTV then they realised that the arrested lady was right. They released a traumatised woman who had to take days off to recover.

But, how does any of this make sense?

In these cases, you turn up, record statements and addresses, go check the CCTV and either send a fine to the driver, plus consequences for lying about racial abuse if you can prove it. Or let the pedestrian face the consequences of racial abuse if it can be proved. You do not need to arrest anyone on the spot.
This is what skews statistics. They will appear busier than they need to be. For unncesarily arrests. And just plain stupidity.
Then, another fact that has been reported by shop keepers of all races, police does not have the time and resources to turn up for shop lifters and thieves.

Maybe the police are recording these types of incidents as them proactively stopping racism, even though they are bogus. And they appear in an end of year report or annual report which is noted by the Home Office. And they all pat themselves on the back.

Yes it’s systemic which is why it comes up at horrific events such as the ones you listed.

It could be. It needs investigating.
And they should be working hard on reducing shop lifting, destruction on property, knife crime, drugs (the amount of drug issues in UK!!!)

I am with Kemi when she says the problem is not institutional racism so much as institutional incompetence.

In fact institutional incompetence has come to define much of our public services unfortunately.

@1dayatatime it could have been about the officer who was wrongly named by "grok ".

It's also a communication issue.
Why did the police on the ground call for an ambulance when one has already been called by the call handler ?
Suspect in the ground fallen ,injury to face blood coming out of mouth .police arrive to Henry in that weak state should have IMMEDIATLY hurried up that ambulance .
Did they even realise or know ? Was this passed on?

That was after the case not during it.

Oh and after the body cam footage was released as well.

Radical activists are in decision making posts that needs addressing and rooting out.
In the police and Home Office for starters.
Police tried to portray Henry as the aggressor …The Times today 😦

One of the police officers tries to check him for stab wounds and tells to her colleagues that they have to, but Henry is handcuffed by then, making it difficult for her to check properly. Plus he was not bleeding that much externally, for the look of it. His white shirt appears clean around his belly in the footage and he was just seconds from completely losing consciousness. They should have cut his clothing to check, instead of handcuffing him.
But it is more than incompetence. When you add all the bits together, it is a policy and training issue.

The mad rush to get that poor boy handcuffed ???