How much do you people understand 25 get in benefits if they dont work?

[JacknDiane]

If they stay at home.?

Does anyone know?

Is she in full time education or working?

Full time education and fairly enthusiastic about it thankfully , but as previously said doing nothing in our house is not an option .
Same applied for her older siblings , she is totally naive to the benefits system .
I hope there will be no need to ever claim it but it is a reassuring back up in this insecure current climate.

I dare say it was but I think if I understand @MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack correctly a more modern version could take on a more nurturing environment and really drill down on the detail.

Of course there will always be a (small) percentage who are not well enough to hold down a job at this point in their lives, if ever, but most of them should be able to be trained up into being able, responsible and job-worthy citizens, surely?

Are you talking about disabled people or unemployed people?

So is she doing an extra college year?
If yes then if you receive child benefit/UC child element then you will still get that for another year.
The reason most 18 year old school/college leavers who can't get a job sign up for benefits is because the household income has dropped and they need to contribute.
(also if a single parent the 25% council tax reduction is stopped).
If parents aren't asking their (now adult) children to contribute to the household income and the £338 gets treated as "pocket money" then of course an under 25 living at home will be happy.

Unemployed but that of course is a wide spectrum; unemployed because they are work refusers through to unemployed because they are disabled and everything in between (and spectrums within the spectrum).

It matters not what I think really, if the welfare bill is bigger than the tax take then we have a problem, however people want to dress it up.

Its not a wide spectrum. You have unemployed (looking for work). Disabled and carers who can't work. And single parents with children under the age of 3.

I’m on PIP for an illness that makes me too to work.

For disabled people who are not too ill to work, it is MUCH harder to find work than it is for a normal healthy person because they need accommodations, which is a hassle for employers. There are currently very few jobs for young people, so disabled young people are going to struggle more than usual.

Getting PIP is VERY difficult. I had to apply three times.

I hear my 20yo nephew is earning money on YouTube as a gamer when he's not at uni. He has one more year of his undergraduate degree to go....he stays in his bedroom to game when not studying. Doesn't have a part time job.

I just think he cannot be the only one like this. Very sad. He doesn't socialise or go out drinking. Stays in his room mostly.

Nothing if they have savings over a certain amount, and quite a few do because of the Child Trust Fund or Junior ISA.

Although if they've worked at some point in the last two years and paid NI, they can claim contributory UC for six months.

UC for an unemployed 25 year old is impossible to live on if you have moved out the family home. And some people are older and still live at home, but would entitled to more.... make that make sense.

There is a real crisis out there about NEETs... and can we please stop assuming they are all sat in a smelly dark room on a games console. Some are volunteering and applying for any job going. It is really bad out there right now.

@Jaxhog When DH and I were at University 10% of people went now it’s about 35%. The amount of graduate roles hasn’t suddenly risen. It was very obviously going to collapse at some point. I used to work with political science academics and also met many policy researchers and politicians. Some of the academics were talking about this decades ago as it was expanding rapidly with widening participation. Social engineering often has unintended consequences and this is exactly what happened.

I would say in the current state people just get lost in the huge amount of applications as it’s a saturated market.

Now contacts are becoming more important than ever. I basically got DS ex GF her first job after graduating a couple of years ago as I passed on her CV. My friend got her a very basic admin job within the very large local company she works for.They broke up but my friend is delighted with the ex GF work wise and she now has her own client base and is flying ahead in her career and has been promoted twice.

DS current and hopefully forever GF is about to finish her PT masters and I’m asking around again. Have just found out someone I know used to work for a National company in the area she is graduating in so going to see if I can glean anything from that.

If he’s making money as a streamer that is his part-time job. I don’t think a young person not going out drinking is ‘sad’.

You're misunderstanding. Whether he drinks or not, that's up to him. I agree, it's not "sad" but the whole situation is. Having no interests except the online world is very concerning. I don't think he has ever been out with anyone. Doesn't go out with friends or anything. Hardly smart gaming as a part time job. He isn't earning much if he is still living with his parents.

E sports is huge. And some make good money from it.

As opposed to all those 20yo students who make such good money from their vacation jobs that they can afford their own place do
you mean?

I am shocked that they get so much whilst still living at home, no wonder the benefits Bill is out of control.

If their parents aren't charging them any rent or contributions to bills/food/transport costs etc then it is a lot of money.
That's down to the parents really so you should blame them.

It'll depend a bit on circumstances, as pp said, entitledto can help with the calculation.

That’s a fascinating statistic. So they are not claiming disability (no PIP), and not looking for work (no UC). I suppose if their parents are happy to pay for them then fair enough.

Half of NEETS not claiming benefits doesn't mean they are not looking for work. You can look for jobs without UC.

I've two young adult children who've gone through periods of out of work. Neither have claimed UC or are on any other benefits.

One has been doing agency work on anything remotely related to her the area she' qualified in, lives off her savings between contracts, pays rent and a household bill. She's getting career support through a programme designed to help disabled people into secure work.

One was doing a higher level 5 cadetship, until his employer screwed up to the point the training provider noticed and told him that. He found out only through muliple calls that yes, it's bad enough that there was no way or any plan to deal with the issues, which meant there was no way we could see that he could gain the qualification. He still had to pay that employer back a portion due to the contract, but still had savings after that to live on and pay rent. He might have claimed if his savings ran low, but he plodded on and got there in the end.

Not only that, but also in the school holidays between leaving school and starting at college/Uni, claiming they were job hunting, etc.

Add in to the mix, the ones who suddenly claimed they were homeless, virtually the day after leaving school, from some made up argument with their parents, who got a council flat for the Summer and then they suddenly "made up" with their parents when term started.

I knew a couple of people who did it every Summer between school and college/uni terms.

I think it was stopped early to mid 80s, but was a well known "dodge" at the time among young people.

My first boyfriend did it - happily living at home, but lost his job, and suddenly, hey-ho, big bust up with parents meant he was homeless. We "enjoyed" his little council flat for several months until he got another job, and then as soon as his entitlement to the free council flat ended, he "made up" and went back to live with parents.

There has always been a lot of benefit fraud! It's not a new thing!

I do also blame the parents. There are always posters on here not charging adult kids rent because it's their home blah blah blah

Yes she is doing another year , she is an August born .
We don't receive any benefits other than child benefit and i know this will continue thankfully.
Hopefully a part time job at some point too.

So she wouldn't be entitled to it then 🙂

OTOH I've been told that I'm disgusting on here in the past for charging my DC rent. Especially when he was unemployed and on UC. He still had more disposable income than me! And adults have to pay bills.

I knew a lot of people who were on the old Enterprise Allowance Scheme while playing in bands. The band was their ‘business’ that they used the EAS money to set up. Worked out for quite a few of them and quite a few ended up with proper record deals. One very famous singer was a particularly canny operator, she had multiple pseudonyms and disguises that she claimed under while getting the band off the ground. The Treasury will have made it back many multiple times over in taxes in the long run.