How much do you people understand 25 get in benefits if they dont work?

[JacknDiane]

If they stay at home.?

Does anyone know?

It’s you’re, firstly.

Secondly that’s just not true, is it?

Explain to me how because you're very wrong but won't explain why you believe this to be true

But it is true.

Whether you've worked or not the amounts for each element are the same. Other than the housing element which depends on area and bedroom "entitlement".
So a single adult gets the same rate regardless of tax paid in the past.

Do you have a mortgage? Children? A partner ? That's where the differences come in.

There are different timings for meetings at the joc centre depending on the demographic and jcs are funded to see people weekly, fortnightly, monthly or quarterly depending on their circs. Young job seekers are seen weekly for three months usually for twenty mins after their first couple of appointments then mainly fortnightly.

Work coaches do vary but every job seeker would usually be equipped to have a good CV, ID, and interview clothing. They are supported in their work search and signposted to events
, employers, websites and organisations who help. However they are the ones who should be spending their time looking for jobs and writing their applications with JC support to do this.

There is a lot of help for those who engage normally and opportunities for work experiences and some courses for particular job sectors as well as financial help for attending interviews and events. It is tough out there at present for young people but the ones who miss loads of meetings, are constantly late and claim there are no jobs and won't 'work for nothing' (whilst getting their UC)to gain experience will not move forward. After six months they will move to a provider for more intense support.

Anyway, just posted this so it's clearer about the meetings really.

All you have to do is take a look around and see the number of people who are surviving on benefits. Yet you need it as a safety net and they’re not interested.

Even if their benefits were tied to attending?

Well, CV writing and interview skills are taught by schools, but lots of people don't know how to do them, and I wonder if it is a bit difficult to engage kids in this stuff when they're very young?

As for creating more jobs - yes, I do agree that we need to do this as a society, though I don't see how we'd create loads of extra public sector jobs without all of us having to pay more tax.

But it isn't just about the availability of jobs though, anyway, is it? The kids who are struggling to find any work often tend to have additional challenges, so I think we need to find ways of tackling those issues in order to enable young people to get into work and stay in work.

In my experience, the young people who want to work and can present themselves as employable can generally find some sort of job quite easily - even if isn't the type of job which they would ideally want. The problem is surely with those who have other barriers to working?

You're not making sense and completely avoiding the question that you insisted you where right about. I think you are very misinformed on how benefits work.

I disagree

Assuming those who don’t find work quickly must have some sort of ‘other’ issue is not my experience nor that of people I know

Putting this inacurate thought out there also makes it harder for people to find work. A never ending cycle of the longer you are unemployed the more likely people will think there’s some thing ‘other’ going on

Perhaps there aren’t the jobs
Perhaps they don’t have the right experience
Perhaps they are just not the type of person they want
Perhaps you weren’t sitting close enough to the interview room ( yep that happened to a son of mine )

We know Nothing about the millions every year looking for work and can’t make assumptions

The thing is, though, anyone can be unlucky with specific interviews or jobs etc, but if a young person is struggling to get work over an extended period, doesn't it make sense to look at whether there might be underlying factors contributing to this?

Some young people seem to find it very easy to get work, even in areas of high youth unemployment. The ones who find it easy to get jobs and the ones who are unable to get jobs after months of trying must be doing something a bit differently. Doesn't it make sense to look at this to see what additional support might be required?

I'm absolutely not blaming the yp who are out of work, but I don't think we do those yp any favours by pretending that all young people are somehow in exactly the same boat - because they aren't.

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack if schools are teaching about interview techniques and CV writing why are they doing it when they are "very young".
It should be done in the final term before they leave (along with a few other life skills).
Unfortunately due to the heavy academic exam system (in England anyway) the vast majority of Year 11 seems to be just boring exam techniques and going over the same stuff (aka "revision").
Year 11 is about passing exams - not anything actually useful about what happens next in life.
In my personal opinion anyway.

Well, I certainly don't disagree that our school system would benefit from some reform. I guess I'm just not convinced that creating a load of new jobs (if that was even possible) and just leaving these young people to it is actually likely to solve the problem.

Look at perhaps
but your previous post assumed it

‘ But it isn't just about the availability of jobs though, anyway, is it? The kids who are struggling to find any work often tend to have additional challenges ‘

I think it’s an unfair assumption for people, especially interviewers and businesses to make.

I said that they "often" have other challenges. Not always.

I don't see anything wrong with acknowledging this tbh. I'm not saying that these yp are unemployable. I'm saying that there may be reasons why they are struggling to find a job which go beyond the simple fact of there not being enough jobs, and that we can best help these yp by exploring those factors and trying to tackle them.

Thankyou
but
i stand by my comment that it is unfair to make assumptions
Often
means most likely,
not
occasionally which could be seen as more appropriate

Occasionally all people employed and unemployed might have additional challenges.

It’s wrong to assume unemployed people often do

This …. it ain’t hard ! Make it make sense

We can agree to disagree, then.

I'm not making assumptions about any individual. But based on what I've observed, there are often - not just occasionally - other factors at play when people remain unemployed for extended periods.

My 17 year old would think that's amazing ! and she could also live on it easily .
I won't be telling her this , she's all signed up for college again in September and knows doing nothing is not an option .

Well presumably they wouldn't just be "left to it" - whatever you actually mean by that 🤷

I don't think she'd be entitled to it at 17 anyway.

My point is that the ones who are struggling to get jobs often need more support, even when there are more jobs available. And we should be providing them with that support, rather than simply assuming that they will be able to walk straight into jobs as soon as those jobs are made available. It is more compl than that.

Oh ok.
Yes I agree with that. Support should exist for those that need it.
However some wouldn't need as much support if more jobs were actually available.
It's a vicious circle really.

Ah, to be clear, I am with you and agree with your suggestion entirely - make employable people out of those that are currently non employable people.

The do-gooders however won’t stand for it; “poor Johnnie’s mental health won’t cope with that; oh we can’t implement such a system because it’s not fair on the young people with anxiety”.

This ‘work preparation haven’ you have in your mind’s eye could have a counselling structure to it in order that those that need/want it can access on site counsellors for free.

It’s all a pipe dream I know but quite honestly, it’s not an off the wall idea.

Isn't this already a thing it was years ago when I was on jsa I had to go to this class thing to do job skills, cv writing, interview skills etc. If you didn't go your money stopped. If you turned up late or left early it would be stopped

18 in 3 months .