Should anti-Muslim Crusades imagery at marches be treated as incitement?

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Tommy Robinson's march had a strong anti-Muslim sentiment. He was filmed saying that he would end Islam if he was in charge of the country and that Muslims should leave. Meanwhile, Kellie-Jay Keen said "It is not too late to get Islam out of every single official office in this country... we have to remove Islam from every single place of authority."

In this context, the imagery of the Knights Templar which was evident on flags and banners was an obvious reference to the Crusades and battles against Muslims. One attendee dressed up as Richard the Lionheart.

In a society which is saw a 19% increase in hate crimes against Muslims last year, should this sort of symbolism be seen as threats and incitement and banned in a similar way to 'globalise the intifada'? (As to the comments of the speakers, I'm not sure what's happening there but I hope the police take action).

You said:

Expressing criticism of a religion is one thing. Calling for the expulsion of all members of a religion is another. Calling for all members of a religion to have their democratic rights is another.
as for what crime, I didn’t have to rack my brains for long to come up with Inciting Racial Hatred.

How does calling for all members of a religion to have their democratic rights equal Inciting Racial Hatred?

Do women in countries which beat them for showing their hair find it liberating?

No religion or culture is beyond reproach. Nor is your attitude.

And what of other faiths? 'Onward Christian Soldiers' springs to mind.

This is a western trope.

In an almost all Muslim countries this doesn't happen - and most Muslims do not support women being beaten in (two?) countries where this does happen

Marching up and down waving placards of a war that the Europeans lost hundreds of years ago should surely be treated as laughable?

It didn’t go very well for the Iranian protestors in Iran very recently. There’s a big ‘why’ right there.

Do you actually know who wrote that hymn and why? We used to sing that as children at school.

It certainly should be, and perhaps in the U.K. it can be. But we can’t ignore that the US Secretary of “defense” is explicit that he means ‘crusade’ all too literally, that his stance was perfectly clear when he was appointed and we can see the consequences.

GuelderRoses · Today 09:46
And what of other faiths? 'Onward Christian Soldiers' springs to mind

I thought in this case the soldiers were fighting Satan’s forces?

In the UK we are allowed to criticise all and any belief system, Christianity, Sikhism, Hinduism, Islam, zoroastrianism, cargo cults, Rastafarianism, Judaism, confucianism, flat earth, fairies, ghosts, etc etc. None of these have any factual basis, they are just ideas humans have fabricated. All the world faiths were invented by men to privilege themselves and oppress women, especially womens' sexuality. We cannot legislate for so called "Islamophobia" without creating similar for all other faiths and ideologies, which would completely destroy any semblance of free speech,and would require a lot of book burning. We need to all be adults and accept that no matter how passionately we believe in an ideology, everyone else is free to criticise and even mock our beliefs, as long as violence against non believers isn't involved - for example Trans activists should be prosecuted for their incitement of extreme violence against sex realist women.

Your repulsive minimisation of the suffering of women in Islamic countries and their denial of their rights is appalling and makes you completely lack credibility.

the are no Muslim countries where women and gay people enjoy equal rights in law. Being a Muslim is not incompatible with equality and democracy, but political Islam and sharia law are.

You sound like Tommy Robinson

Yes, precisely that. We all know why.

dismissing legitimate concerns with accusations of racism and bigotry is what has brought us to this point, where many ordinary folk who would otherwise be very “live and let live” are voting Reform and going on marches.

how’s that working out for you?

Would you consider crusade imagery to be on the ok side of inciting extreme violence?

No one was inciting violence. Just name calling on either side. Childish really.

You said on page two it's cultural and nothing to do with religion

I've been told recently that Muslims are told they are "born "muslim, most are put into schools from a very very young age to be taught the region and you can't leave it.

I'm not seeing where the choice is ?
Not every woman defines herself and her place in the world bases on how a man may look at her.

@Bertiebiscuit the truth is however there is one religion we can't call out because the response is terrifying and scary !

It certainly didn't. Unfortunately for the murdered Iranian protestors, they were killed by the regime that largely funds Hamas and Hezbollah. Which, to our western, "progressive, anti-zionist" marchers, makes them the wrong kind of dead Muslims- at best an inconvenience better ignored, at worst accused of being on the side of Israel and therefore somehow "asking for it".

People claimed that 'globalise the intifada' wasn't inciting violence either. Till Jews got murdered and stabbed.

I see there was a mass shooting at an Islamic Centre in the US today.

Agree
although I would add
as long as there is no violence against believers and non believers

We all have a right to believe as we wish

Everyone would get on a lot better though if people allowed others to hold their own beliefs

Personally whilst I have to accept people have a right to mock others beliefs I absolutely do not agree with it. I do not however have any problem with criticising this or any other countries Governments or actions

I appreciate there's a lot of nuance and context around mockery / satire / humour but I'd go further and say it's healthy, especially regarding anything that people take too seriously and I say that as a practicing Christian who loves The Life of Brian.

Oh, so it’s SATIRE!! That explains EVERYTHING!!🤣🤣

It allows them to be judged by their character, intelligence and actions rather than their physical appearance.

I doubt women wearing burkas are immune from comments and thoughts on their weight/body shape - a burka can't disguise your body shape if you are very overweight - or indeed very slim.