Should anti-Muslim Crusades imagery at marches be treated as incitement?

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Tommy Robinson's march had a strong anti-Muslim sentiment. He was filmed saying that he would end Islam if he was in charge of the country and that Muslims should leave. Meanwhile, Kellie-Jay Keen said "It is not too late to get Islam out of every single official office in this country... we have to remove Islam from every single place of authority."

In this context, the imagery of the Knights Templar which was evident on flags and banners was an obvious reference to the Crusades and battles against Muslims. One attendee dressed up as Richard the Lionheart.

In a society which is saw a 19% increase in hate crimes against Muslims last year, should this sort of symbolism be seen as threats and incitement and banned in a similar way to 'globalise the intifada'? (As to the comments of the speakers, I'm not sure what's happening there but I hope the police take action).

I would probably take it more seriously if I thought they were actually going to start a crusade.

I don’t know, they just are not a threat in the same way that Islamists are, unpleasant yes to get dressed up to refer to a holy battle against a particular group but lets be honest, no-one dressed up like that has actually ever committed an act of terror. I understand why it is concerning of course but I can’t help but to think now that islamically inspired terror is still the number one threat in the UK.

They choose to wear head coverings.
Muslim women do not and get stoned/beaten if they take their head coverings off.
That was the point the protestors were making.

I live in the region where Richard the Lionheart was killed and every 7 years people dress up in medieval religious garb through the ages and you can't move without driving past a Templar Monastery.

And yes men dress up as Templars, even now.

No.

Yeah honestly I’m happy with anyone kicking the shit out of the IRCG, don’t care if they think they are on a mission from god or not at this point.

The old popes were debouch and didn’t see the problem - troupes of naked ladies dancing on tables for them for instance

is it those popes he is admiring?

Ah, they are worried about Muslim women and this was a way to express it?

Yeah, right.

Do you think those speakers living in Dubai agree?

If it's not part of Islam then criticising the burka is not islamophobic.

On the contrary I think they are very dangerous to individual Muslims - their very presence endangers thousands of Muslims

i always ponder this - loads of Christian practicing people commit crimes - we just don’t ever name their religious leaning - the news never says “Christian practicing man assaults women in blah blah”

'Globalise the intifada' was only decided to be beyond the pale when there were actual anti-semitic murders. Although I hate the phrase I do think speech should only be banned when it very clearly is incitement to violence and not just offensive, critical, anti-religion etc.

Out of interest why is it o my every 7 years?

Because Islamic teachings prescribe different forms of modesty for men and women, rooted in the Quran and Sunnah.

Men must cover their awrah - generally from the navel to the knees.

What a stupid response.

Sure, and there are schools and pubs named after the Knights Templar.

But to believe that the Tommy Robinson marchers don't mean it in an anti-Islam way but actually in a historical re-enactment way would be a bit gullible, don't you think?

Great news. A burka covers that area!

Islam does not require Muslim women wear it, but some Islamic cultures do - it is Islamophobic to criticise it. No non Muslim culture has it..

You may be right about some British people feeling that way, but I for one believe that everybody in this country should be able to go about their daily lives and practice their religion (whatever faith, or indeed none) peacefully, without fear of persecution or violence against them. One might not share their religion or their cultural principles, but that isn't the point.

So an anti Islamophobia law will outlaw criticism of the burka, which both IS and IS NOT Islamic depending on the circumstances and context.

I'm so glad that the current Labour government can't find their arse with both hands - never mind get that law through 2 legislative houses.

Interesting assumption from you there

I am not a practice Muslim but I’m from a Muslim family and from the Middle East.

that’s why the UK’s tolerance of radical Islam scares me.

I think it’s two separate things, theres Islamically motivated attacks of which we have had loads of and are usually accompanied with an “allahu akhbar” and we have men committing crimes who happen to be muslim. So yeah when people mention their religion then it’s pertinent.

I think the attacks on Jews recently which have mainly been muslims
perpetrators, there is a religious element not just political. If it was political you would be looking for Israelis, if you are just stabbing British Jews and setting fire to Jewish run community ambulances etc then it’s about religion/racism. There was that thing where a bunch of wankers started doing mass prayers outside a Jewish girls school in the USA . It is just a bunch of men intimidating little girls, theres no explanation for doing it other than to target Jewish girls. Very Hamas coded imo.

Genuinely religious men are not going to be raping women off the street, most genuinely religious men settle for just raping their legal wives (all religions btw, I’m not picking on muslim men here).

This does not mean that racist don’t pose a risk to minorities, some probably do. But again it’s about scale and severity. I just don’t think those risks are currently equal.

How do you feel about the SNP and Plaid Cymru?

Look whatever you may think.of what they said about not liking the dominance of Islam which is free speech and a right to criticise a religion, no one is calling for the death of Muslims, or an intifadia, right now the only people dying are Jews at the hands of Islamic extremists and too bloody right it needs calling out. Grooming gangs, increase in rapes and sexual assaults from men from predominantly Muslim countries is really a problem and yes weve got our own wrong uns, we dont need anymore.

There was the one that got arrested for having a real sword.