Should anti-Muslim Crusades imagery at marches be treated as incitement?

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Tommy Robinson's march had a strong anti-Muslim sentiment. He was filmed saying that he would end Islam if he was in charge of the country and that Muslims should leave. Meanwhile, Kellie-Jay Keen said "It is not too late to get Islam out of every single official office in this country... we have to remove Islam from every single place of authority."

In this context, the imagery of the Knights Templar which was evident on flags and banners was an obvious reference to the Crusades and battles against Muslims. One attendee dressed up as Richard the Lionheart.

In a society which is saw a 19% increase in hate crimes against Muslims last year, should this sort of symbolism be seen as threats and incitement and banned in a similar way to 'globalise the intifada'? (As to the comments of the speakers, I'm not sure what's happening there but I hope the police take action).

Women choose to wear it. No government mandates it. The worst they do is not punish those who punish some women for not wearing it. Not saying that's right but governments do not get involved in these matters

If she went to the effort of getting a real sword, she could have at least sharpied a red cross on the cloak. Maybe she had borrowed it.

The taliban?

Governments do not get involved in these matters
Excellent - that's how it should be. Government keeps its nose out of religion, religion stays out of government and civil life.

One of them had a real sword (and was duly arrested as a result)

A real fucking sword!

Is the burka mentioned in the Quran? No, it's not. Criticising it is not Islamophobic, the fact that you want to shut down criticism by claiming it is, is your problem. It's a cultural norm.

I don't know about no government mandating the wearing of the burka, but I certainly do know it's not mandated in the Quran. I'm surprised you're not aware of this tbh.

So you don’t want the govt to stop people punishing women for not wearing coverings?

the countries being referred to are entirely different to way we are governed - religion is at the centre - there is not a separation like there is in the UK for instance

They are and have indicated that earlier

So all the women in Iran pre 1979 who wore mini skirts and polo necks suddenly decided to cover themselves from head to toe post 1979 and you want us to believe it was their choice with no pressure put on them by the new Islamic state?

Im sorry but you’re really stretching my incredulity this evening.

But this is how we in the west are living now, I wasn't born in 1930. Im living in a world that affects all our lives, whether its being frightened of our daughters walking home from school because they live near the hotels or hmo with men walking about who think all white girls are lily philips, to having to get to airports a million hours earlier because of those who wanted to blow up planes with liquid, to having to go through major security checks at concerts because kids have been blown up and hacked to death, we are living with the consequences of radical Islam.and yes it has to be eradicated

The PP should stop throwing around accusations of Islamophobia at critics of the burka then. I'm so tired of people deliberately misrepresenting the requirements of their religion in order to silence people.

Again, it might be worth you going and watching some of the people who interviewed and spoke with the people there.

I genuinely don't understand what you mean mean about 'removing Islam from every single official office in the country'. If you mean removing Sharia Law then of course, the UK should not be running two distinct legal systems. What else are you implying? An office itself is not a religion so this is not making sense.

I don't know why you are asking me to explain Kellie-Jay Keen's comments.

A video of her making them is here: https://x.com/5pillarsuk/status/2056007441230213489?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

Well, there weren't many speakers in dubai for the Unite the Kingdom/Unite the West march.

But yes, some in Dubai will say the same. Ditto in Iran/Afghanistan etc - some there will thankfully condemn the face coverings women are made to wear.

Let's be clear, the UK doesn't have a separate Sharia law legal system. The UK law takes precedence over any other systems. But some areas offer faith based mediation. Now we may or may not think faith based mediation is an appropriate thing to exist, but my understanding is it exists across a variety of religions.

I found this story from earlier in the year interesting. If another Muslim country considers our universities have been radicalised by Islamic extremists, why aren’t we having the same conversations?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-police-uae-cuts-funds-students-uk-islamist-groups-muslimn-brotherhood-b1265724.html

I've said repeatedly this. Another non Muslim commentator saying things about Islam they do not understand?

Expressing criticism of a religion is one thing. Calling for the expulsion of all members of a religion is another. Calling for all members of a religion to have their democratic rights is another.

as for what crime, I didn’t have to rack my brains for long to come up with Inciting Racial Hatred.

Quick question, do you think that joining a religion changes a persons race?

Why are you trying to shut down conversation from ‘non believers’?

I'm not trying to shut anything down but people are lying about what I said and are commenting on Islam without understanding it

Well, if you’re the authority here on all things Islam, why not help to educate people rather than telling them not to discuss it?

I'd rather they didn't on this thread because I started it to discuss the anti-muslim crusade imagery and whether it should be banned and the derail is pretty annoying.

What am I not educated about?