Should anti-Muslim Crusades imagery at marches be treated as incitement?

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Tommy Robinson's march had a strong anti-Muslim sentiment. He was filmed saying that he would end Islam if he was in charge of the country and that Muslims should leave. Meanwhile, Kellie-Jay Keen said "It is not too late to get Islam out of every single official office in this country... we have to remove Islam from every single place of authority."

In this context, the imagery of the Knights Templar which was evident on flags and banners was an obvious reference to the Crusades and battles against Muslims. One attendee dressed up as Richard the Lionheart.

In a society which is saw a 19% increase in hate crimes against Muslims last year, should this sort of symbolism be seen as threats and incitement and banned in a similar way to 'globalise the intifada'? (As to the comments of the speakers, I'm not sure what's happening there but I hope the police take action).

One rule for the people I hate

I think you'll find a lot of people in the UK who demonstrate against the current Iranian regime are Iranians themselves i.e Muslims. You may be unaware that tens of thousands of Iranian demonstrators i.e Muslims were killed earlier this year by the Iranian regime.

I wasn't sure what to make of your OP, but if you're so incapable of any kind of nuanced thinking that you see criticism of the Iranian regime as being somehow anti-Muslim, then I'll go with no, people like you should not be able to legally impose your black and white understanding of Islam on the rest of the country.

I’m not sure he’d be too bothered about that so long as they were keen on militarily, uh, defending Christendom or trying to take Jerusalem or whatever

Yes thank you for that - I was thinking of individuals I guess

it’s hard to pick it all apart

They definitely can.but Islam.is responsible for many deaths and carnage across the world and has been since 9/11

They were keen on military yes

and defending Jerusalem

I just don’t think their conduct stacks up to what most people believe

That’s really interesting to hear

can you say anymore about the differences?

what if you were a practicing Muslim would you still be scared?

Let's do two versions of We Didn't Start The Fire by Billy Joel. In chronological order lets start with right wing racists murders from say 9/11 and now do a version of islamic attacks from NY to Australia, France Germany, Africa, Bali, london, Spain, Italy, Sweden, and name everyone, lets see how long that list is!

Wow. Really

Crusader, or elf from Lord of the Rings? I literally don't know what look she's going for here.

I gather he’s critical of modern popes being soft, and interested in things like climate change which aren’t even mentioned in the Bible whereas ‘I come not to bring peace but the sword is’.

Anyone who indulges in Crusader rhetoric and symbolism in a world where Hegseth is the ‘secretary or war’, leading an actual war against an Islamic state is either pro violence or very stupid (or possibly both).

So it's not stipulated in the Quran, it's a regional, cultural requirement. So criticism is not anti Islam. Unless you're suggesting that the Quran is not the final word of God?

Hmm, I wonder if any of them know what fate befell the Templars.

I live in a very diverse and multicultural place with lots of Muslims so I don’t think I would feel more scared as a hijabi. None of my
female Muslim friends cover their hair and haven’t reported any specific incidents.

I pass as white so don’t get any grief on the streets but I know others do, but that it based in skin colour rather than being visibly Muslim

the racism and growing polarisation in the Uk is really worrying, but the answer is not found in appeasing radical Islam, quite the opposite in fact.

If everyone there was racist why were there no murders or attacks?

Maybe watch some of the you tubers who visited both marches and look at the similarities and the differences before making your assumptions about the intentions of everyone there.

There were many left or centrist people there, and many non white people there. Many muslims there. Many Iranians there. I know a black lesbian who was there.

Seems pretty multicultural by the sounds of it.

but if we start the list from say 1930 …
millions of wrongs don’t make a right.

Not sure items the OP that has a problem with nuance tbh.

Surely you can see that different groups of people may be using that flag for entirely different purposes.

Is Hegseth the UK 'secretary of war'?

I was assuming crusader, ended up looking like Legolas.

I don't think that the people flying the pre-revolution Iranian flag at a march where people openly hate Muslims are Muslims protesting the current Iranian regime.

There may be nothing in the Koran that specifically dictates it (no idea if this is the case or not), but there are certainly Islamic leaders who require it in the name of Islam (eg Iran post 1979).

It's Islamic culture in some areas not Islamic doctrine. You can be an Islamophobe without criticising the contents of the Quran / Sunnah

To be fair, in this case the fact the perpetrator was Christian was reported – but that's probably because he proclaimed his "Christianity" to be a reason for his sustained behaviour assaulting and abusing people.

Naked police cell protest after racist hate campaign by Dundee man
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/courts/5459316/naked-police-cell-racist-hate-dundee/

This guy doesn't sound the brightest bulb. But the words of Christian nationalist speakers, like all others, fall on the hinged and unhinged alike.

What did the Muslims who were there make of the call to remove Islam from every single official office in the country? Or the fact that it was organised by Tommy Robinson who wants to end Islam and for Muslims to leave the country?

I haven't said I know the intentions of everyone on the march. The ones dressed up as crusaders, I have a pretty good guess. The Muslims you say were there, I'm completely baffled by.

But critics often get wrong the tenets of what they are criticising

like homophobics really not understanding gay men and their sexual
practices - I would still say they are being homophobic