Should anti-Muslim Crusades imagery at marches be treated as incitement?

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Tommy Robinson's march had a strong anti-Muslim sentiment. He was filmed saying that he would end Islam if he was in charge of the country and that Muslims should leave. Meanwhile, Kellie-Jay Keen said "It is not too late to get Islam out of every single official office in this country... we have to remove Islam from every single place of authority."

In this context, the imagery of the Knights Templar which was evident on flags and banners was an obvious reference to the Crusades and battles against Muslims. One attendee dressed up as Richard the Lionheart.

In a society which is saw a 19% increase in hate crimes against Muslims last year, should this sort of symbolism be seen as threats and incitement and banned in a similar way to 'globalise the intifada'? (As to the comments of the speakers, I'm not sure what's happening there but I hope the police take action).

Where did I say you weren’t educated?

No, anti Muslim Crusade imagery should not be banned unless it breaks the law eg it being an incitement to violence.

I wrote a post explaining that the burka is empowerment

Are you Muslim?

Why are you trying to dictate what others talk about on issues you are not an expert in?

This was my post explaining the burka

Why not start a new thread explaining why this is empowering? Rather than derailing this one?

Read the post one up from your one

Because I started the thread to discuss anti-muslim crusade imagery, I'd quite like it if people discussed anti-muslim crusade imagery not whatever they want to talk about and have used it as an excuse to go on about.

I’ve seen this sword thing mentioned a lot recently. Then yesterday I look at a news site and see actually people fighting in London with actual machetes, chopping away at each other in broad daylight and wonder why there’s no outrage that some young people have REAL massive knives shoved down their trouser legs, AND use them.

You do not dictate what a Muslim can talk about when it comes to Islam!

Yeah, that's the spirit.

its rare that any thread stays on topic. It’s like conversations, they take tangents and fork off willy nilly into sub areas of discussion. Maybe doing a poll would have worked better in this instance.

That’s a valid opinion but to say people who disagree are uneducated is not accurate.

Are you aware that there is a hint of fanaticism in your posts?

He said that "it is time for many Muslims to leave this country if they are not going to integrate or assimilate."

Why did you not add that last part to your post?

Looking forward to the people dressed up as Nazis at the next “rally”…

The problem is that people get called Nazis now for having bought a Salman Rushdie book in Waterstones 25 years ago . So the flinging round of all these words starts to mean absolutely nothing any more.

And it was the OTHER march that had anti-Jewish placards on it, but that seems to go completely unnoticed.

Genuinely, because I couldn’t hear what he was saying https://x.com/britishmuslimtv/status/2056272838840267008?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA

and if you have a look at the subtitles at that point it says “unintelligible”

Thank you for the clarification. When he says he would ‘end Islam’, what do you think that means for the Muslims that don’t leave the country? Stop being Muslim? Is that what integrate and assimilate means in this context?

Well yes, like in the US. It’s always shocking to see.

I do wonder how far the ‘freedom of speech’ people would like that to extend? Nothing off limits on our streets in the name of protest?

He said if he became Prime Minister which is never going to happen.

The question I would ask is, if extremist Islam is a problem for muslims, why aren't the heads and the followers rising up to counter it themselves? What action are they taking to remove it from their communities?

Those women who whipped the burka off on stage don't give a fuck about Muslim women.

Completely agree I saw the video, they were mocking, belittling and patronising them. It definitely was not done to show any solidarity or support.

What do you think ‘end Islam’ means?

There’s a long thread about antisemitism on the other marches in the CITME section.

Of course not (and you can stick with your faux niavite as well)