Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations part 2

[AutumnLover1990]

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Thank you. There is a documentary which alleged the animals at Neverland were poorly treated and neglected.

I also think MJ was a misogynist. The song lyrics of Billie Jean even show it.

I commented earlier that these reports aren't verified or confirmed.

If they do turn out to be true then maybe Robson and Safechuck will use them in their lawsuit, but as it stands I don't think there is evidence of this.

If he did have a Messiah complex...a lot of this is a mirror to society. If someone is a superstar from the age of 9 and held on a pedestal by all including family it's destined to come to a destructive end. I welcome honesty from my friends and family it's important. But for someone like MJ reality is completely blurred. Noone can tell them the truth because then the bucks stop. There was no blueprint for authenticity.

It is hard to be truly good on Earth though because we get knocked down by negative people.

I tried to volunteer somewhere once. I instantly got attacked by people that I knew, that I was doing the wrong. I was called a "white saviour" and that i was taking positions away from locals.

I said no, the organisation asked for international volunteers and when i was there i saw that i really did help.

But i was trashed by people for volunteering.

I havent volunteered since. I must not listen to judgements and try to help somewhere again

He 100% was. In the book with the Rabbi this is extremely apparent.

He said that many a powerful man has been taken down by what's in between a womans legs and blamed Monica Lewinsky for Bill Clintons downfall.

I've heard about that documentary but haven't watched it.

He was quite manipulative in his marriage to lisa marie too. She said he kept pushing her to have kids. (Something they should have discussed before marriage)

She said no because she thought he was controlling. She said that she knew that he wanted to be the only parent and have cntrol.

She thought that she would have his children, then he would divorce her and not let her see them At all

There's plenty of nice people out there, I know several who I think almost everyone would describe them of having a heart of gold, many of them volunteers, of course I'm sure that like everyone they may have hurt people or been unkind now and then, even if it's hard to imagine
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However they're still normal people, they don't get treated like a God with a heart made out of pure love, they don't do weird stuff like sleep in bed with kids out of the purity of their hearts, because that's not a thing, unless of course he was in fact the Messiah 😅

You definitely should if it is calling you but I have also seen volunteers get a ton of abuse when they do not deserve it, particularly people running animal rescues etc, it's awful, there are some very strange, angry, horrible people out there 😠

Yes he would walk around the house holding baby dolls and crying because he wanted babies so much.

He also told her if she wouldn't give him a baby that Debbie Rowe said she'd do it.

MJ did say that Lisa Marie had promised to have one as soon as they were married, not sure if she agrees with that version of events, but either way it's ridiculously manipulative.

And in the book with the Rabbi he said that after they split up she would send him letters etc and he has letters where she said that she'd give him 9 babies if he wanted because she was trying to get back with him, but that by then he became cold hearted to her.

To me, given the tone of the rest of the book and how he talked about women and how egotistical he was I think that came across as really degrading to Lisa Marie, making out she was just desperate to get back with him.

He definitely had a messiah complex and saw himself as Jesus. It’s quite common for abused children to become narcissists.

This is why Jarvis Cocker demonstrated against his performance at the Brit awards - he said that a lot of people in the audience were talking about how it was sickening and in poor taste. And how MJ had gone from being a talented artist to this navel gazing narcissist.

He did.
It's definitely not just a mirror to society.
He held himself on a pedestal, I don't think I've ever seen him doing an interview where he isn't talking about things he's done for children and how much they love him and how much love he has for everyone and blah blah, all of his words are about his suffering and how by contrast he's now a complete sweet angel.

And again, this man left a trail of destruction among everyone he was close to.

He even said he thought he would have been able to change Hitler, such is the extent of his healing powers.

He was a paedophile. I don’t understand all this wilful self-deception

My understanding about those pictures is that they were not anything he himself did. It was gore type pictures done by someone else and might not have depicted anything real. This was an article in Vanity Fair saying that it was ‘leaked’ by the police department.

Either way, it’s not in the court case as far as I have been able to find.

The police department said that some of the files came from them but that some came from the internet, and they didn't say what came from them, so it seems that whichever files were leaked there was a mix of real police reports and information that came from elsewhere which could possibly have been fake.

This is what was officially found;

Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children.

Three books, containing 'photographs of nude and partially clothed children. The investigator noted that the books contained images of partially clothed or naked children, as well as images of nude adults with children's faces morphed on top. This technique may be used to sexualize and lower the inhibitions of a victim, according to the report.

Evidence Item #303. Three books containing nude photographs, including those of teenagers and pre-teenagers.

Naked and semi-clothed images of women 'in sexually explicit poses, as well as naked men filmed by a gay photographer. One book contained semi-clothed or fully-nude teenagers or pre-teenagers, according to the report.

Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children.
The hard cover book is titled Cronos, by author Pere Formigeura, contains images of nude children of both sexes, as well as adults.

Book: 'Boys Will be Boys,' contains full frontal nudity of boys under the age of 14; personally inscribed by Michael Jackson.

Book: 'In Search of Young Beauty,' containing pictures of children, boys and girls, some nude.

Book: 'The Boy, a Photographic Essay;' containing images of boys, some nude.

Photograph: Noted in the document as 'believed to be Jonathan Spence; fully nude.!'

Photograph: young boy holding an umbrella, with bikini bottoms partially pulled down.

Evidence Item #364: 'The Chop Suey Club' = Photo book, young adult male models, some nude.

Evidence Item #365: Pornographic books, including images of naked children.
'Robert Maxwell Photographs, various images, including those of children.

Evidence Item #366: Several books, containing images of nude men and children.
Nude images of a nude male couple, another contained nude images of men from the 1800s.

Photos of teenage males nude, images of adults with childrens' faces morphed on top, some nude photos of children.

4 'Barely Legal' DVDs.
Powerbook which contained 10 searches for
"teenage sex" and 21 graphic nude images from
"teen sex" internet site.

Ah right - interesting.

That is pretty damning.

@MyTrivia
I just glanced at that list so not sure if that's the correct list but recognise some of the list and it relates to the 1993 raid.

I believe it was the 2003 raid where the rumours of the animal porn etc came from but as I said it's not verified.

It’s what was officially found that the police have said was raided.

Ah ok, maybe that list is combined from the 1993 and 2003 raids.

Have you a link to the source for this?

Where it says there is a nude photo of Jonathan Spence - is he the special friend who looked a lot like Jimmy Safechuck as a child?

Yes there is a document that it’s from but I didn’t post it because last time I did this, MNHQ hid the message.

Verifiable information is out there if you care to search for it.

I’ve spent the last few days trying to locate the stuff that convinced me of his guilt.

Yeah he definitely seemed to have 2 main types, the white light haired boys and then the tanned boys Like Jordan Chandler and Brett Barnes.

If there was a naked photo of johnny spence why wasnt he charged for having that material