Labour isn't Working - Thread 33

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Lots of empty seats behind Starmer today. They're very subdued, except for scoffing at opposition.

Even Reeves is missing. You'd think she'd be around to contest McFadden's newly published opinions on her budget.

Agree. It’s not going to help to hunker down and hide.

Did anyone notice the expressions of the two men behind Farage when he was speaking about Henry Nowak? Pure hatred - and horrible to look at, no matter what your political affliation.

No, I missed the whole of the Farage palava. I was speaking on the phone and only aware of the din coming from the telly.

No sorry, switched off after Kemi. Were they the independent MPs at the back? I agree that all elected MPs should be respected and allowed to speak.

Just had a root around on x and I see what you mean @DancingFerret. When he said two tier policing it looked like they were going to swing for him. No idea who they are but I'm glad my constituency isn't represented by them.

Typical.
Focus on Farage and the protest rather than what happened to Henry at the hands of the police. Much easier for the left, comfort zone.

It’s not going to work. I’m listening to an ex police officer now bluntly talking about how the officers failed and the training they get.

Politicians hiding on this won’t help.

Yes I just listened to that too. Very informative.

I'm trying not to look at things during the day, otherwise I'll never get anything done

(and then again it's not a good idea to look at it in the evening because you'll get depressed)

There seems to be a few excerpts from College of Policing training material from 2025. I'd rather took my eye off them because I thought they were being disbanded or something. Maybe I've got that wrong.

Anyway, the racial guidance is really alarming from what I can see of the excerpts. In fairness, I am unlikely to read the whole document. But it basically says something about equality of outcomes. Which sounds kind of impossible. Policing without fear or favour does not sit with worry worrying about equality of outcomes.

Sorry that wasn't a very helpful post, but some of you might want to look that up.

In the context of racial guidance, it does seem to have been taken as proof of racial discrimination.

The thing Starmer will never understand is that every time he rallies the troops to chastise Farage and reform is that it signals that Farage still remains outside of the establishment, and it's through that measure that he engineers his appeal.

If Keir had said...and he never would...yes, I agree, we need to root out prejudice and discrimination wherever we see it and, if we find it has played a part in this case, we need to assess whether it is more widely disrupting fairness and safety in our police force...
then Nigel becomes a voice absorbed and dampened by wider establishment agreement. And then he loses his usp as a disruptive actor.

But because Labour has no identity beyond abjecting what it is not and because Farage used his language bomb of two their policing...they both benefit from this interplay of how much one is not like the other.

Times radio said similar. Farage might be loathed by 99% in the HoC but nearly as many will feel similarly to those politicians.

We know the footage and the obfuscation is just not working.

And further to that comment about the college of policing

That feels like another episode in "who runs the country" because how that guidance was put together in 2025, and who puts it together.... why does everything feel like it's been run by a leftist crazy person? Even under the Tories.

Yes, spot on.
You can tell there is a by election on.

The handcuffing has been bothering me so I went on an internet dive and found this document:

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure2024/may2024/handcuffing-procedures-policy-faq.docx

The paragraphs from 2.2.12 onwards are explicit, and my inference is the officer who applied the 'cuffs will have questions to answer.

(The document needs to be downloaded to be read in full.)

Edit: Additional paragraph.

But instead he said we will find and punish….Really sad! I thought his ending overshadowed his condolences.

And when he throws what he thinks are his Farage sucker punches he just sounds shrill and off key.

Listening to police over last day or so the common theme seems to be the don’t treat people the same is problematic for them.

That and the actual response which is more subject to investigation.

But on training and guidance is there a problem and if so what should happen? Has any Labour politician addressed this, since they’re in power?

It’s this in the guidance -

explicitly stated that achieving equality of outcomes "does not mean treating everyone 'the same'.

What happened in Southampton last night won't be unfamiliar to people who know that the UK's extremism and anti-extremism industry functions as a form of kabuki theatre.

• There's a horrible murder that shocked the nation
• There's a flash demonstration that starts out peaceful
• Tommy arrives with his hangers on
• Tommy scarpers in a taxi before things kick off
• Some morons decide to fight riot police. These morons are literally wearing Restore Britain t-shirts or are known members of the National Rebirth Party, but that won't stop trash "journalists" like Dan Hodges proclaiming them to be Nigel Farage supporters
• Starmer and Mahmood get to pivot away from two tier policing and do an extended harrumph about "disinformation" and "far right thugs", which is much easier than serious police reform

The only surprising thing is that the SWP didn't turn up, but maybe their Southampton branch couldn't find their way out of the assisted living facility.

None of this gets us any closer to discovering what went wrong in Henry Nowak's case, and how to stop it happening again. Cynics might suspect that's the point.

DH laughed when Kemi got in the disappearing app messages in and the camera panned to Starmers face.

As for the cheers for Starmer when he spoke they were a few and very subdued. Kemis were much greater.

Starmer will disappear again I reckon unless the speaker drags him out by the scruff of his neck.

A picture of the policeman who cuffed Nomak was on FB my DIL showed me it last night. She's a policeman daughter and was incandescent with rage that her dad's life work had been brought into disrepute yet again by today's copper.

Excellent post 👏 👏

@justasking111 if it's from last night is it the mistaken identity one?

@EasternStandard thank you, your last paragraph is the one set of words that really struck me

@SionnachRuadh yeah I'm really tired of the kabuki theatre. I just want to know who's behind it. I'm tired of feeling like I'm in that Michael Douglas film The Game, which I never found interesting, it's all just extremely boring and ridiculous. Are you aware that Dan Hodges didn't even seem to know who Restore were priority to the council elections, or he didn't realise they were party already. Not sure if that's part of the fucking game as well.

Honestly, I did not have this sensation before 2020.

I must admit, I'm being a problem to myself today, because I know I should step away, but I'm bored. And eventually, whoever is running the show knows this, if you can get everybody obsessed with it, it's harder and harder to step away.

Totally agree too. The posturing around this is annoying.

Any suggestion of whether there’s a police issue and what to do about it is gone.

My post was a bit fried but the very last line is what police are to follow in guidance. They are explicitly told they shouldn’t treat people the same to get equality of outcome.

I’ve heard multiple ex police talk about the impossibility of this and that it shouldn’t be the police’s remit. But it does inform all their actions.