Labour isn't working - Thread 32

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The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Maybe TV shows are too slow moving these days when politics us and UK is moving faster than an eastenders story line !

@FatEndoftheWedge is season three hard work?

Emily in Paris has some really good characters I think. They are all very strong and cleverly drawn. I don't understand hate watches full stop, but I do wonder if some of them just can't admit that they like it.

There were definitely some bits of the storyline that I would do away with earlier than they did - for example, Camille - and there were bits that I would edit differently.

But they do capture a lot of the zeitgeist. And simple things like when Emily dropped her crêpe and it became "#ohcrêpe" 😂 just the normal stuff that's so funny when you're out with your friends

I used to know someone who actually had a WhatsApp group for Emily in Paris. I was so jealous of him! Unfortunately, he has moved back to his home area - he lived in my neck of the woods briefly for work. I would love to have a group like that! He showed me some of their conversations and they're hilarious. I never meet people who can go on endlessly about TV!

Just watched Rivals, so many 🍑 male bums. Wonder if they used stand ins. My DS modelled his for a sculpture. It's been all over the national press. Apparently people pat it. 🤣

Siri, how does bum sculpture modelling work exactly?! 😂

That was meant to say "so" not "siri"!

OH it's grim. Basically you're put in plaster so a body cast if you like. You get very hot and dehydrated. You have to be in one pose for a long while. OH and you're completely naked.

It's his third time
The first was a death mask, he had to breathe through straws. The second was his face on a Greek god. That was in the media too.

I couldn't do it I'd have a panic attack.

@justasking111 that sounds horrible, especially with the breathing through straws

But what you're telling us is that your DS Has the face and bum of a Greek God?

I'm guessing you must be a supermodel

wow, you can learn a lot here on a Saturday night when not distracted by politics!

No not a supermodel. He was just blessed with extraordinary good looks and a great body which he does look after. I tell him it's the Irish blood. There's a lot of good looking men in my family. ☘️

☘️🍑

I would much rather be contemplating peachy male bums, but the Sunday papers have distracted me!

This really is an absolute gift to Reform, does anyone in Labour really not understand this?!

"Andy Burnham and Wes Streeting would both seek a mandate to rejoin the European Union if they were elected Labour Party leader, in a move that would threaten to reopen Britain’s Brexit wounds."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/9fc5fce5c94cbb9d

That Telegraph article makes the point about Burnham’s EU views and Makerfield. This was always going to be an issue for him in a by-election in a very strongly leave area.

FWIW I think Burnham will win anyway. The ‘local lad’ schtick will see him through - despite the fact that he went begging for loads of other seats.

There’s no pro-Pal vote in Makerfield of any size at all so the Greens won’t dent Labour. Plus all constituencies like having a big figure to call their own.

Then again, you can take my predictions with the contents of a salt mine!

Local lad but apparently from the nicer side and grew up in a nice house.

Just read an except from Wes streeting s book in the times , a fry up saves my life.

He credits his grandad tory as being the steady backbone of his family but turned fully labour when Anne widicome made rude remarks about single mums.

How does that square with his stonewall and tans rights beliefs ?

I agree with your analysis. For the locals there is a strong possibility that their MP could become PM if they elect AB.

This will go down very well in all the areas Labour just lost in the elections. Yes, Farage will be thrilled.
Very clever from Streeting though. Burnham won't want to talk about his plans to re-join the EU whilst campaigning in Makerfield!

Nandy turning up to campaign whilst saying keep bollard. Ridiculous

Maybe she thinks turning up will dissuade people from voting Labour.

Yeh I thought the same. Vote Burnham to keep Starmer?
You can't ride two horses.

Yep. Idk if Burnham will do it. He seems to have gone for a hard area looking at Brexit / local election votes but he seems to be liked by more people than Starmer.

If he doesn’t win surely Starmer still goes just to another challenge, he’s lost so much authority.

Taken the dogs out for a mooch on the beach and now back getting stuck into the papers again. I am at a loss as to how anyone vaguely sane and intelligent can think this Labour government is a good thing for the country.

I am a big fan of Liam Halligan (and his daughter!), he is generally very astute on all things financial, so this is pretty terrifying:

"International creditors are alarmed that of the £132bn Labour borrowed during the fiscal year to March, a jaw-dropping £110bn went on debt interest payments – almost the same as state education spending, twice what we spend on defence."

This is clearly not sustainable.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/7a6eb93676177be7

"Pressure is now growing on our sovereign bond market from all angles, pushing us ever closer to a 1976-style meltdown – when the UK went “cap in hand” to the International Monetary Fund for a bail-out – with rising US inflation added to that mix.
American price pressures mean US policy rates could rise, setting the tone for higher gilt yields worldwide, with Britain having to offer even higher interest payments to keep our debt competitive.
And higher US rates will push up the dollar against an already weakening pound, prompting creditors to demand higher UK yields again.
Global bond investors will “need to fall into line with our agenda for Government”, bleat Labour ministers and MPs. The combination of ignorance and arrogance is shocking – and extremely dangerous."

Is it me? Every time I hear a Labour bod (Nandy this morning) saying the people are fed up with them because they're not going fast enough to deliver the change they promised when they were elected, it occurs to me they've completely reneged on their pre-election mandate - so are they actually saying the electorate wants them to accelerate the speed with which they continue to wreck this country and the economy?

To my mind, they can't achieve what they promised with their current economic policies (inc welfare increases), so reading between the lines, we need a few u-turns / resets to achieve it.

They probably need to go back on the no tax increases too, sadly (in conjunction with reviewing the personal allowances / tax bands).

There's do much they could have achieved / still could achieve, if they'd not bloody hobbled themselves in the manifesto. But, bearing in mind a load of things weren't in the manifesto and have failed, I'm not sure that going against what was actually in it is that much of a problem. They're already hated, so they might as well do what's needed, regardless of their manifesto!

Indeed. It’s not exactly obvious what the benefit would be from more, faster shambles and damage.

I also think it’s a contradiction of the ‘don’t scare the horses’ “fully costed” 🙄 etc manifesto and the ‘strong, steady, grown up’ crap that Labour and its supporters have been spewing out. So it’s not steady as she goes any more, it’s ’we need to tear around and shake everything up’.

This is basically a clueless flailing government.

Yet people reckon that maintaining the status quo would be the 'stability' we need. If this is their idea of fucking stable, Christ knows what unstable / in chaos looks like to them! 😬

I often wonder if some people hear Bollard's lawyer-speak tone without actually listening to what he's saying and think it equals stability.

I suppose that may be true.

I'm a solicitor and find him less than inspiring, to be honest! But knowing the process to become a KC, I know that they aren't necessarily the brightest and best, just those with the money to spend on applying!

NoWordForFluffy · Today 13:40

Some of the most 'dumb' people I know are the most educated ! This, to suppose that often many of the most decorated academics believe that money grows on trees. They also have ideological understandings that the state can spend money more wisely, than the individual can. This is of course totally inaccurate in any country that uses a 'capitalist' economy. I also do not think you need to be the sharpest tool in the box to realise for any economy to grow firstly, you need an abundance of a cheap energy. The, second equally importance thing is a population with a disposable income and a disposition to spend it.

The current pathway of the Labour Government and that of Burnham, Streeting or Milliband 'especially', is an anathema to anything that enables the 'wealthiest' to grow the economy for the good of all.