Michael Jackson stories

[Scarlettjune]

After the new film has come out. Does anyone have any stories of meeting Michael Jackson or hearing about someone you know meeting him?

One year Michael Jackson came to live in Ireland for a time. It was after his trial was over. I think he was in Ireland between 6 months to a year.
I lived in Ireland near to where he stayed for a length of time. He went to our local cinema and the child play area. I know a man that worked with MJ in Ireland. He said that he was very nice and that he was a really, really good father. That was it really.

Anyone have any other stories?

That's normal though.
People and children will often deny abuse, and at the time Jordan admitted that he was having fun, so he would not have wanted to admit it.

His dad was pulling his tooth, I do believe he took advantage of the sedation to ask him about the abuse as Jordan had previously denied it, but that doesn't prove anything except for he wanted to find out the truth.

That recording that you mentioned, I heard that clip, I don't think that's at odds at all with what some would say if they believed someone was harming their child, why wouldn't you want to destroy their life? In the rest of the recordings he was saying how he had been taken in by Jackson initially but he truly believed that his son had been irreparably harmed.

The guy who secured that tape was a Hollywood fixer, Pellicano, he actually quit working for MJ, and he later said that he had quit after discovering 'some truths' and that MJ did far worse to those boys than molest them.

Evan Chandler was investigated re the extortion claims and nothing ever came of it.

I’ll have to read the transcript of the phone call again but I remember feeling surprised Evan only mentioned the abuse once (I think) in that long call. He also made no secret he was after MJ’s money.

Jordan Chandler was seeing a psychologist who asked him what the worst thing that had ever happened to him was and he said ‘meeting Michael Jackson’.

He had to leave school before graduating because of other boys calling him ‘gay’. And a deranged MJ fan tried to run him over whilst he was out, rollerblading.

Im sure it’s not easy being him. I certainly believe his accusations.

MJ is a man who was dogged over decades by accusations that he molested boys, all of a certain age and look. Funny coincidence, that.

Neverland was a massive grooming operation.

He sounded as angry as I would be if I found out that a grown man was using his power, fame and money to sexually abuse my son.

@MrsOfButt I didn’t actually imply that you believed that though did I? I’m just baffled by how you’ve gone from thinking he’s guilty to not. More evidence pointing to his guilt has come out over the years rather than his innocence. His victims’ stories changing and timelines not quite being right are more indicative of his guilt imo, young children are not reliable witnesses. I’d be more suspicious if a grown man/teenager could recall wholly accurate accounts without ever wavering.

it doesn’t matter how famous he was. It was grooming in plain sight. Of the parents and his victims. The parents had the same blind adoration that his defenders do. And they should have protected their children.

Many people have had awful/no childhood. Janet and LaToya haven’t, to my knowledge, been accused of grooming children. Andrew Mountbatten Windsor had a very unusual childhood, which has probably had a lasting, negative effect on him but nobody excuses his having sex with a trafficked victim because of it. His brother Jermaine has just been ordered to pay a woman several million in a lawsuit filed where she accused him of rape, is she lying too?

It is interesting though (and this is general musing) that we tend to believe female victims, yet the victims in this case are only after the money, and just straight up lying. I guess it doesn’t fit peoples preconceived ideas of a victim.

@BarryManilowsWardrobe What new evidence has come to light over the years other than the testimonies of WR and JS?

@topcat2026 Witness testimony is evidence.

I believe all of the stories about him and his fondness for children. Sorry.

Yes, I know.

And the thing about that fondness for children is that he speaks the exact same about them as a certain type of pedophile, the 'boy lover' type who want relationships with the kids, and think (or say they think) that the relationships are mutually beneficial, not harmful and that the only reason there is an issue with them is because of society being 'ignorant'. They constantly go on about loving children and innocence and have an obsession with it.

No one is that obsessed with children except for pedophiles.

He also had the very books that the NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) members often have, the ones created by convicted pedophiles, for pedophiles cos they get away with them because they're legal, even though they were full of naked photos of boys, including pics of them lying down naked with their legs spread and genitals on display. The copies of these books are now restricted in the British library and can only be viewed with an invigilator present because pedos were ripping the pages out of them.

And he literally slept in the same bed as boys!!! He always had new 'special friends', the boy was replaced with a new one when they got to a certain age, the books of naked boys were boys who were the same age as the boys he had in his bed.

In any case of CSA, what do you think the strongest evidence that it took place is? considering that abusers don’t do it in front of people who are not the target?

You should not need to apologise for having the good sense to accept what is clearly in front of your eyes instead of doing endless mental gymnastics like some on here.

On another thread, one defender started getting AI scripts to use as rebuttals. Such a level of desperation to what end?

He dangled his infant son from a balcony in Berlin. Not what I would call a lovely father.

Just to add my own general musing, when I first read your last point I thought it wasn't anything to do with gender and that it's just due to blind devotion to MJ, but then thinking about it some more if his obsession had been with little girls then I do think more people would have been more suspicious of these 'friendships' wondering why the fuck he was pictured everywhere with little girls.

But then MJ is so sneaky and manipulative that if his main obsession was little girls then he probably would have told everyone he was a gay man, and then his fans would have just shouted 'HE'S GAY FFS, OF COURSE HE'S NOT ABUSING GIRLS'

The MJ defenders all sing from the same hymn sheet:

The FBI investigated him for 150 years and found him innocent.
His bedroom was the size of a 3 story home
his bed was the size of a football pitch
he slept on the floor
there is no such thing as a victim unless that victim is perfect and has never told 1 lie.

Meanwhile they ignore the fact that MJ is the biggest liar ever to walk the earth -
he had one nose job and no other plastic surgery
His white children are all his and Blanket’s mother is black.
He was ‘in love’ with Brooke Shields at the same time she was engaged to Andre Agassi.
to name a few…

What other evidence generally comes to light in child sexual abuse cases?

None.

Don’t believe children when they say a man has sexually abused them? 🤮

Yes he definitely seems to have had a ‘type’ for his ‘special friends’.

As for the parents, groomers are good at picking out parents they can manipulate and control, and who are less likely to be believed if they do try to raise anything.

As pp said, the exact opposite of caring for children is picking out vulnerable ones with flakey parents and encouraging them to sleep in a bed with you as an unrelated man, thus normalising what is otherwise universally recognised as grooming behaviour. If it walks like a duck…

@BarryManilowsWardrobe one of the main things that convinced me his was innocent was that bloody awful Leaving Neverland (or whatever it's called) documentary with Wade Robson and James Safechuck. The director has it planned out as a trilogy and plans to film the ongoing court cases Robson and Safechuck have against the estate.

The way they both behave in that documentary just makes me think they're massive liars. There's no way actual victims of CSA behave the way they do.

Was hoping you could reply to my question @kkloo about Wade Robson.

Well working on that scenario I wasn't abused by Saville and he was never tried but im pretty sure his victims are truthful.

Evidence in court showed that little boys who shared his bed had their fingerprints on his Barely Legal magazines, and pronography was found where they said it would be.

Hes a proven liar in saying he had surgery to help his breathing, and the fact he looked like a melted candle was merely "maturing and growing "🤣

Lisa Marie has said he was highly intelligent and the breathy baby voice he used disappeared in private, the innocent boy who never grew up was a load of bollox

Man was a vile abuser who happened to blast out a few good tunes

I believe Virginia Guiffre, I believe Epsteins victims, I believe Fayed and Savilles victims and I believe Jacksons child victims.

Jimmy Savile was never found guilty either.

I don't believe that he did.

Fayeds victims came forward years later

Had Virginia not had that photo she may not have been believed, but Andy paid out millions to make it go away. Much like much loved Muchael did.

There's no way actual victims of CSA behave the way they do.

What are you basing that on and what way should they be behaving?