Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations?

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For me it’s undeniable and the evidence is overwhelming, but I’m shocked by the amount of people who don’t.

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Not everything you see on the television is the truth.

Surely after the whole P-Diddy exposure it's not hard to see how anyone threatening to expose evil power structures behind the industry would be putting themselves in danger.

MJ had created a platform where he could speak out and one of the drivers behind a lot of his behaviours was a passion to change the world. He was speaking the truth and that's a dangerous thing to do when systems that make billionaires depend upon everyone's silence.

People who speak out against power structures are often ostracised, ridiculed and many have somehow died (Prince had to become 'artist formally known as Prince' because of the evil of the system for example, and became a recluse).

How better to silence people than to make them a figure of disgust and/or ridicule like they did to MJ, he had that his whole damn public life and before that, he was controlled to within an inch of his life since the age of 5, as a cash cow/performing monkey for the family, he was used and abused by EVERYONE except a few, and then people really wonder why he preferred the company of animals and children?

How would you cope under all of that pressure, I'll tell you now I wouldn't be able to manage a fraction of it and I have coped with some shite throughout life! I might make some poor decisions too! I will not demonise MJ when I haven't walked in his shoes and never ever will.

He made some dire mistakes, and misjudged situations due to being out of touch with reality, as he was forced to live, but none of these make him a peadophile.

The book was sent to him by a fan called Rhonda, she had written in the back of it and she sent it to him as a gift that he put to one side, probably to one day return it to her signed, because he got tons of gifts from fans he probably forgot to actually do it, hence it remained there.

The book WAS made by a pedophile but MJ didn't know, this book was not admissible as evidence in court because finger prints taken showed he had ONLY looked at the first few pages of pictures of children which were NOT the indecent, unclothed images to be found further in the book. The nudes were actually in the middle of the book and these images were never seen by MJ, there were NO fingerprints on any of the pages further in the book, therefore this book was dismissed in court as irrelevant.

Crazy exploits and set ups can happen in the music industry. It's true. Have a little look at what happened to Tulisa from N Dubs. And she's not even a fraction of MJs status.

Not everything you see on the television is the truth.

Same applies to what you see.

How better to silence people than to make them a figure of disgust and/or ridicule like they did to MJ.

He slept in bed with little boys and then replaced them with younger boys. If no one had made any allegations people would still have said he was a pedophile.

I'm sure most of us would make some poor decisions, but choosing to have little boyfriends is far more than a poor decision.

He made some dire mistakes, and misjudged situations due to being out of touch with reality, as he was forced to live, but none of these make him a peadophile.

And nothing about what you said makes him not a pedophile.

not everything you see on television is the truth

Agree.
But there are countless photos and video footage (before ai) of him with young boys. The Martin Bashir programme may well have been edited. However he did admit to having sleepovers with boys. Im pretty sure, during the trial, either Wade or James safechuck said they had sleepovers but nothing untoward happened.

Its one thing making a poor decision, or being poorly advised occassionally. But if you've had rumours about abusing boys why would you continue for years to hang out with them, surrounding yourself with pre teen boys...? And then pretend to be shocked when people say youre a paedo?

How convenient that you don't mention the other book.

The one that MJ had inscribed himself, saying 'Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys' faces. This is the spirit of boyhood, a life I never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children. M.J'.

And in that one 90% of the contents was of nude boys.

Interesting how he makes out he's so childlike and surrounds himself with boys and he seems to think the spirit of boyhood is boys hanging around naked all the time...and then he gets accused of sexual abuse multiple times.

He was just a classic paedophile, hiding in plain sight.

I'm really not asking you or anyone to change your mind, that's up to you, and I'm not going to change my opinion either now, it all depends upon what you personally believe, but I am asking people to be more open to the fact that this is a very complex topic and to perhaps open their minds that there could be a whole lot more to it than just what it looks like on the surface and what is presented to them in the Daily Fail etc because a lot of misinformation goes out there because to this day, because of course, it all makes money.

What I'm saying is, if you care at all about the truth, an awful lot of what is peddled out there does not add up and it's worth taking a second look without bias, and seeing what you then feel about it.

I mean it's always worth looking twice at any situation rather than just basing assumptions on the surface information.

For example I wish people would not just watch Leaving Neverland without then watching Square One, it isn't fair to not look at both sides before taking a position.

I watched square one.

You are clearly misinformed about certain things going by what you said about the books of photos of naked boys, or else you chose to deliberately leave it out.

I'm not trying to change your mind either, but you're spreading misinformation, and what you said making out that people deliberately tried to take him down is very conveniently ignoring the fact that no one but Michael Jackson was putting these boys in bed with him, so of course when you post comments like that people are going to rebut.

I'm not spreading misinformation, it's just that I don't think the same as you.

He shouldn't have been so close with kids and nobody could disagree but do you really not think, given the life that he had, there could have been any other reason for this than the fact he sexually desired them?

I think he was very very crushingly lonely and found adults to be a complete let down in general, because they were to him. The only ones around him who didn't appear to be on the make were kids and animals.

Watching that joke of an interview with the Casio family. It's shambolic 😮😮😮

@kkloo @MyTrivia You clearly care about the abuse of children. That's admirable, truly.

I think your passion for protecting kids would be better invested elsewhere , (I want to say just like MJ did but I'm guessing that will go down like a lead balloon.), than a chat forum about a man who's no longer here.

No. Money grabbers.
P wouldn’t be so obvious he loved children which is hard to comprehend for some.
He was a pure soul, visited and helped more sick children / adults than any of you could ever.
You don’t sing heal the world and then molester kids.

He's genuine I can see straight through people lying and I can read body language.

There was absolutely no evidence, hence not being charged. He was provided some damaging legal advice to pay off the claimants in order for them to leave him alone, this backfired massively and he was vulnerable.

people make me sick. We need more people like him in this world.

don’t tell me, you all took the Covid vaccine too

Yes you are, with what you said about the books made by pedophiles.

It's not about what you think. What you said simply was not true. You conveniently didn't mention the other book that MJ inscribed himself that was 90% nude images.

He shouldn't have been so close with kids and nobody could disagree but do you really not think, given the life that he had, there could have been any other reason for this than the fact he sexually desired them?

Honestly no, but it wasn't just sexually desiring them, I believe he treated them as relationships.

The bedroom was the size of your whole house

I am tell a paedophile a mile off, just by looking at their eyes and expressions they all have a certain look. Michael had no evil in his eyes at all not a chance just a pure soul.

Exactly. So many language experts have given their thoughts on the abuse claims and it's a big no that he was a paedophile. It's actually heartbreaking that he was accused of something so awful 😞

Thanks for the advice.

If you must know I am actually battling in my personal life to hold people accountable for the harm caused to a child, however at the moment there's nothing more I can do as all my complaints etc are submitted, the criminal investigation is still ongoing, and the barrister who I'm dealing with is speaking to their mentor to see how we're going to approach any future proceedings.

(Not for financial gain either if anyone thinks that, purely to hold people accountable, and to try to ensure things are handled differently if it happens again).

So in the meantime, because all I can do is wait, I have plenty of time and energy to have discussions on MN 😀

I'm not sure it's a good use of anyones time and energy to be defending MJ online but look, here we are....

How's that relevant when they were in his bed?

I'm so sorry you're going through this 😞

Well thank you sincerely ❤️

Nice try. You can’t tell people to stop posting on a thread just because we don’t agree with you.

Somebody further up asked about the Photoshop picture. I've finally found it.

There are videos of him being inappropriate and overly touchy with kids. Always boys …