Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations?

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For me it’s undeniable and the evidence is overwhelming, but I’m shocked by the amount of people who don’t.

I clicked on it and the programmes is playing behind it, the blurb didnt disappear

And do you think all victims are liars or just Michael Jackson’s victims?

Oh, I have no idea why it worked for me - that’s a shame.

What I cant work out is that I saw this programme a couple of months ago, it was after I watched The Trial and I realised I'd never seen Leaving Neverland, so found it somewhere, Netflix? Amazon? But now when I google for it, its disappeared and says not available.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/s/VVvb5eGYAX

Scroll down to the ‘documentaries’ link on this Reddit page and then maybe you’ll be able to watch it. This is the link I used.

I think it was available on channel 4 for streaming until pretty recently.

His estate have managed to get it removed because of some sort of loophole which had nothing to do with the validity of the claims.

i expect they wanted this whitewashing film to do as well as possible and are using it to bury the reality of how evil this man unfortunately was. Paris has said the Michael film is fictional and gets abuse for it - his own daughter 🙄

The loophole issue was ages ago and nothing to do with Channel 4, where the film was on there until recently:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/why-cant-watch-michael-jackson-doc-leaving-neverland-1235553393/

Channel 4 haven't explained it but it must be just some streaming rights issue as they do still show Leaving Neverland 2.

Yeah having suffered from extreme insomnia myself (but no drugs in my case) it's so hard to imagine he would have been able to get through the residency.

He did have a skin condition called vitiligo. He would have been full of white patches from head to toe, some people with darker skin tones do whiten the rest of their skin so it looks even. I have this condition but I'm white l, so it's not as distressing for me.

@MyTrivia by that rule of thumb we wouldn't have a justice system. Innocent until proven guilty seems fair to me.

So true and the FBI tried SO hard to find him guilty but they just couldn’t find anything tangible to pin on him, there was nothing real they could use against him

Same for me, honestly I don’t mind contributing it’s just a security issue for me. But thanks so much @MyTrivia

when I watched that originally on Channel 4. I was so struck about the innocence and joy of little Wade in his suit dancing, that must have been such an overload for a child of his age, and easy to see how he was being groomed, in retrospect. He’s a very talented dancer now, he trained N-Sync and other famous bands I think ? Can’t remember completley that’s why I would like to watch it again. he and James were such beautiful boys and they have both grown up to be handsome men, and I think very alike looking. So MJ had a ‘type’. I Feel heartbroken for both of them especially James, they are not fabricating what happened to them.

Some of the stuff that they found wasn't allowed to be used, such as a polaroid of a naked boy, believed to be that of Johnathon Spence, who was another of Michael Jacksons 'special friends', and another of an unknown boy where I believe the boy was pulling his underwear down.

But why weren’t they allowed to use it?

@TheJoySpreader if you have top notch $100,000 an hour lawyers (as did OJ) they know all the tricks to get evidence ruled inadmissible. The average Joe wouldn’t stand a chance against such slick professionals. Wasn’t Johnny Cochrane one of MJ’s Lawyers in his first trial ? He was the lawyer that did all the alliteration in OJ’s trial eg ‘ if the glove don’t fit you must acquit’

I'm not sure of the reason, but it's common that in rape/sexual assault trials that a lot of evidence that show that they have a history of it is excluded, in some cases they will allow evidence of some previous accusers etc but not of some others, I don't know know the rationale for how they decide that X is allowed and Y is not.

I believe in Ian Huntleys trial the jury weren't allowed to hear about the previous allegations against him of sexually assaulting underage girls and things like that.

@kkloo its called ‘prejudicial’ evidence I think.

Sex crimes are hard to prove and juries don’t like convicting celebrities.

When multiple people across different decades make allegations against someone which all have the same details and situations then it shows a lack of critical thinking to accuse every single one of them of being liars and being after money. Especially when MJ himself was demonstrably a pathological liar.

Also LOL at the notion that he was asexual. Asexual people don’t grab their crotch and hump the floor whilst dancing.

My daughter is asexual. She hates sleeping in the same bed as anyone and doesn’t enjoy physical touch or hugs from her family even.

Plenty of celebrities have been convicted by juries.

I wonder why Terry George didn’t testify. Surely his testimony would have been relevant?

I disagree with you there, asexual people could definitely do that. I do some dance classes that are floor dance/chair dance etc, we quite regularly hump the floor 😅and one of the girls is asexual.

However I don't think he was asexual personally, but if he was asexual and he just saw the relationships with the boys as romantic and not sexual then I don't even think that's much better.

Not with the level of stardom he had.

Some of the high profile people who now say he abused them went on the stand and said he didn’t touch them - no wonder he was found not guilty . Because they were groomed for years and years and years to always protect him and be loyal no matter what. They were repeatedly coached by his defence team. which is interesting because they used the exact same words as each other.

As children they enjoyed it because it felt gentle to them - to them they felt special. This huge superstar was saying they were married to him and they were so star struck. And he showered them and their families with incredible gifts.

@SqueakyFromme