Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations?

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For me it’s undeniable and the evidence is overwhelming, but I’m shocked by the amount of people who don’t.

So sorry to hear this is happening @kkloo, it's awful, I hope that you win this battle and that you are ok.

Yes.

For me the Finding Neverland documentary was the final proof I needed. I agree he was a very sad and troubled man, but I also believe he was a wrong'un.

You are joking? It was well documented at the time that Saville had a close relationship with Charles and Diana. He acted as Charles’s ‘unofficial’ adviser for years and also was a frequent visitor to the palace. There are hundreds of letter sent between them. 🙄

Also loads and loads of people defended Savile, including close friends and colleagues. He was regarded as a national treasure who did
loads for charity and loved kids…sound familiar?

@Blossoms217 james safechuck had genuine pain in his eyes in the LN documentary, anyone could see it, it was genuine sadness and pain. so your claim of being a body language expert doesn’t hold up for me, I think you need to do a lot more study and get some professional qualifications before you can call yourself such a title.

does anyone remember the security video from the jewellers when MJ bought James the ring ? The ‘wedding’ ring ? Which James still had in its box. Hmmm perfectly normal to adopt a disguise and take a nine year old on a shopping trip for a ‘wedding’ ring.
it was in LN (maybe the 2nd part)

How can you know it was genuine? You can’t, none of us know, except him.

I had forgotten about this. The thing that really stuck in my mind was the recording of MJ and James Safechuck on the phone and MJ asks Jimmy what he favourite part of the trip was and when Jimmy asks him back he says ‘Being with you’. In a voice that literally conveys nothing other than romantic love’. It was truly terrible to hear.

The way that some people on this thread are in denial and think MJ was a wonderful man who cared about all the children. No he didn’t - he cared about himself and his needs and he created a very convincing ruse so that he got away with unspeakable acts against children.

I also agree with this. LN was very hard for me to watch.

@everyoldsock in the same way that people think MJ wasn’t a predator ?

@MyTrivia I just think they are tragic sad people idolising anybody to such an extent, it’s just madness, whether they are a predator or not, it’s just ridiculous.

Yes, it is.

Is it impossible to believe he was just trying to recreate his childhood? Parents do this all the time with their own kids. How many people if you asked them why they wanted kids would reply "to give them the childhood I never had"-now that is 100% about the parents trying to work through their own issues. And we know he was desperate for kids of his own. I still think that is a possible explanation.

‘Parents do this all the time with their own kids’. Yes, their own kids. Not other people’s.

This Peter Pan nonsense is something I used to get on board with when I was young and idiotic and had no proper life experience. The reality is that there is no such thing as a man who didn’t grow up.

Yes there are people who are asexual. I don’t believe for a second that MJ was asexual.

Jimmy Savile did exactly the same thing with young teenage girls that MJ did with preteen boys but on a smaller scale - buying them make up, music and taking them to TOTP.

MJ had unmatched charisma, talent and was much better looking than Jimmy Savile. He lavished the children’s families with hugely expensive gifts and cried if their mothers didn’t want them to sleep with him. It’s little wonder the families were all groomed in such a way.

I think that mentally he wasn’t well - the BDD, skin bleaching, arrested development, prescription drug addiction, trauma from his upbringing. It’s a complex picture.

The skin bleaching was somewhat understandable because he clearly did have vitiligo.

Thank you ❤️
It felt like me and my daughter against the world for a while.
It has definitely been a battle so far and I lost all energy to fight but got it back ✊

Nice to have a human moment on here in between all the madness 😊

I mentioned on this or another thread, there are a couple on the same subject, Dolly Parton grew up in poverty in a small house with many siblings.

She has a charitable foundation that gifts books to children. She hasnt (afaik) invited young children into her bed to read them a bedtime story, or have a sleepover.

There are hundreds of charitable ways celebrities can support or sponsor children, and young people and literally none of them include choosing one as your best friend and having them over for sleepovers

Recreating his childhood, yes to an extent. That explains the Neverland theme park stuff. Similar to why adults go to Disney without kids. If the seats on swings were a bit more generous and the chains didn't dig in I'd still have a go.
Being a big kid a heart is probably what drives lots of people to do sports and hobbies.

"to give them the childhood I never had",
It 100% natural to want better or different for your kids than you had yourself.
That's what makes people go OTT at Christmas and stuff.
That's probably also why so many kids are doing loads of extra curricular stuff, dance, music, sports

Even Prince William with tons of cash has said he wants a different childhood for his kids. Hence the media has much less access to them. We don't see them skiing or chilling at Balmoral.

But taking other peoples kids into your bedroom or having sleep overs is a massive no-no.
What straight thinking normal adult would do that?

Thats the line that shouldn't be crossed!!

Michael said he would have liked to have asked Princess Diana out.
Imagine MJ being the future king of Englands stepfather 😅

He didn’t really like women though did he? Was just all a ruse I think. He didn’t even have sex with his so called ‘girlfriends’. But he definitely would have fitted in to the royal family and their dodgy proclivities.

Recreating his childhood, yes to an extent. That explains the Neverland theme park stuff. Similar to why adults go to Disney without kids. If the seats on swings were a bit more generous and the chains didn't dig in I'd still have a go.
Being a big kid a heart is probably what drives lots of people to do sports and hobbies.

Exactly! Lots of grown-ups have childish hobbies that I don't understand. That's why I think Neverland was something he genuinely wanted and not just a ploy to make him more appealing to kids. You'd have to be insanely calculating to build an entire theme park in your backyard for that reason.

"to give them the childhood I never had",
It 100% natural to want better or different for your kids than you had yourself.

Yes every parent wants to give their kid the best but at the point they're thinking of having a child to "give them the childhood I never had" that is all about the parent. The child doesn't even exist at that point. It's therapy for the parent. It's them trying to recreate their childhood instead of just going to therapy. I had a good childhood so I can't identify with that, but obviously a terrible childhood is going to mess you up and make you want to "fix" it somehow. Most people can just have their own kids, but for whatever reason Michael couldn't. We all know the lengths he went to when he eventually did have them.

But taking other peoples kids into your bedroom or having sleep overs is a massive no-no.
What straight thinking normal adult would do that?
Thats the line that shouldn't be crossed!!

Definitely, he crossed a lot of boundaries. I just don't know if any of it was sexual. I mean it most likely was, I'm not completely in denial (anymore) but I still have a tiny amount of doubt. He had lost the plot by the time he was doing all that.

Well he said he did....but I definitely don't believe that's true.

The kind of woman he said he wanted was a tomboy who would wrestle or climb a tree who could play and wouldn't get jealous of him spending so much time with children and who was classy and quiet and not into all that sex stuff and craziness and doing vulgar stuff with their bodies in a relationship 🙉

The shit that’s been posted on these threads is unreal. It’s really not a great look.

Have you heard of Lisa Marie Presley? One of his wives? They had a sexual relationship.

everyoldsock: "Have you heard of Lisa Marie Presley? One of his wives? They had a sexual relationship.". The attraction there was she looked very much like her iconic dad. Poor little rich girl.