Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations?

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For me it’s undeniable and the evidence is overwhelming, but I’m shocked by the amount of people who don’t.

How can you not? We are talking about the idea of people making accusations to get money

There is no meaningful comparison with the crimes Saville committed and the crimes Jackson may have committed:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-timeline

The comparison is (if michael is guilty) - both of them used fame and power to silence the victims

If they were in the same bed the size of the room is largely irrelevant

And sharing a bed with a sibling, growing up is a world apart from a grown adult man sharing a bed with an unrelated young boy. And I cant believe anyone would equate the 2....

I can equate the two because psychologists have said that they think that michael was severely mentally damaged and reverted mentally to a time when he was a child.

There is a term for it : arrested development, i think. It happens after extreme abuse at a young age..im not saying mj was right. I am saying he definitely wasnt mentally developed.

I disagree. I think people like you do mental gymnastics to convince yourself that MJ wasn’t a child abuser when all the evidence suggests otherwise.

For heavens sake.

Well that is an intelligent argument.

Have you not met people who were severely abused as children - when they become adults? . I have.

I used to work in an emergency accomodation place. There was a woman who lived there for six months.

She was 35. She spoke and acted like a six year old. She carried dolls around. She was extremely child like. Her parents had been in a paedophile ring, and this woman had been abused from the age of 6 on. She hadn't developed mentally after that

I just think he'd lost the plot by then. Messiah complex like a PP said. Kids asking to stay with him and him not establishing firm boundaries and just agreeing to it.

I think he probably is guilty but I'm not an expert in childhood trauma to know how many ways that could manifest. I'm also not famous so I don't have to be careful of all the adults around me wanting something constantly. None of us had his childhood did we? Or lack of. It's not like he lied about it.

I'm pretty sure if god forbid anything happened to Sean Lennon,a big name like him,he would have spoken out publicly and not make weird, disingenuous videos?

I listened to a good pod cast where they interviewed his close bloody guard and he was adamant he was innocent.

Sean has said that nothing happened to him, bit he noticed that something odd was happening at Neverland. I cant remember his exact words but he noticed that michael only liked them as friends when they were young, then when they were older Michael tossed them aside

Who paid his salary? I wonder he getting money from the jackson estate. I dont know who to believe!

How do we know he tossed them aside though? I thought some of them remained friends with him. And everyone is at pains to point out that no grown adult male wants to share a bed so why would an almost adult 16 or 18yr old still want to? How do we know it wasn't them that drifted apart from HIM as they got older? That would happen with a parent child dynamic which I think was what MJ was after more than anything.

I believe Culkin did say he stayed as an older teen/adult and he didn't want to share a room by then so he stayed in the guest bedroom.

Because several of them have said that he threw them aside once they became older.

Culkin is Godfather to MJs children, Wade Robson was still working with Michael well into adulthood, Brett Barnes was friends with him until his death, there's footage of Sean Lennon and Michael together in adulthood. That particular narrative just isn't true.

They were still in his life but they were demoted from being the 'special friend' of the moment and not so special anymore.

Who said that?

Yes, the squeaky voice was something my DM always said she thought was most peculiar. She is convinced his voice was a very deep one, and his ridiculous squeaky voice was the total opposite to his real one.

Goodness knows what he thought about how having a high pitched voice would make him more appealing or chikd-like. It just added to the whole shifty persona.

I am not proud of how I was an extremely young fan aged 7, with posters on my wall, and avidly watching his videos and listening to his music. I remember my mum asking me if I would love to meet him, and I agreed. It makes me shudder to think of this now.

So he didn’t toss them aside, he (according to you) chose not to be as close to them as he was before. That’s pretty common.

Scotland Yard labels Savile a "prolific, predatory" sex offender after its investigation reveals 214 criminal offences across 28 police forces, between 1955 and 2009. Its report, Giving Victims a Voice, found that 73% of his victims were children, and the allegations of abuse span 14 medical establishments.

Did Scotland Yard also do mental gymnastics?

God I watched so many documentaries on MJ, I cant remember exactly who said it. I will have to look it up online.

I remember watching a documentary and some of the boys he hung around with said - that michael would be their friend until they got too old, then he would toss them aside for a new younger boy.

Nope, not just according to me, he did toss them aside, that's how they've described it, even some who haven't accused him of sexual abuse. Makes sense to keep them around on some level to try to keep them sweet.

Yeah common among pedophiles. Certainly not common for a grown adult to do that to children otherwise.

And these men who were tossed aside are asking for how much money. How many hundreds of millions is it again.

Meanwhile

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