Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations?

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For me it’s undeniable and the evidence is overwhelming, but I’m shocked by the amount of people who don’t.

I just watched the bubbles burst video. Unless i missed something, I didnt see anything bad in it.

What made you feel sick?

I dont know.

He was abused himself as a child which could have led him to go on and abuse other children.

There are lots of accusations against him which could indicate guilt.

People dont think he is innocent just because he is a celebrity. Everyone believed Ian Watkins -Lostprophets was a paedophile. I think the huge amounts of money involved in Michael Jacksons cases gets people confused. Or how he was so rich- and newspapers were lookng for stories- everyone around him could have been paid to say whatever, so its a little harder to distinguish who is telling the truth

Ah here.
Literally the whole thing.
The monkey is a metaphor for the kids (Sean Lennon stated this).
The monkey is lying there scared in bed and Michael takes out a banana to play with, then a bottle of baby milk which MJ holds up near his face and squirts it near his mouth, then he's licking the lollipop, then the way he's touching him trying to teach him to dance, then they get in the bath together with the lollipop...then bubbles gets old and banished while MJ tries to escape the DA. Along with the weird walk at the start which when the camera zooms in looks like MJ thrusting on top of him. I'm sure there's more....

Well it seems to me that in fact a disproportionate number of the rich and famous are pedophiles.

That has become clear over the years. Not sure why being rich and famous makes you less likely to be one. All the evidence shows the opposite sadly. Just look at all the sex offenders and pedos that have come to light.

Rolf Harris
Jimmy Savile
Hugh Edward’s
Bill Cosby
Roman Polanski
Max Clifford
Andrew M-W
Ted Heath
Jeffrey Epstein

To name a few. Jimmy Savile wasn’t convicted of anything but nobody doubts his guilt. Why is that? Probably because he had no charisma or talents.

So where were the calls for Joe to face prison whilst he was alive? Do people not care because it was the 60s or because he was the parent? Or because he wasn't famous?

And MJ was also cruel to the chimpanzee he had as a pet. The poor thing was thrown across the room and kicked and punched. He was also dressed in clothes.

How anyone can think he was a good, kind man is beyond me. The evidence all points to a narc who felt entitled to abuse children.

Sean Lennon also said in an interview about the song " Nothing ever happened with me in an illegal way, but the whole place just felt like I was in some Peter Pan fantasy land. "

It is an interesting video alright.

I think that hitting children was legal at the time.

Its scary when you think back to how much it was everywhere. Hitting children. It was everywhere back then

Hit your wife and she could say you assualted her. Hit your child and it was totally fine

It has never been legal to hit children with a belt.

But I wasn't saying famous people don't abuse I was saying it's a different dynamic when someone has fans and is famous so you can't compare it to a bloke down the road because kids aren't asking them to stay at their house generally!

So out of all those sickos you list, how many of them openly claimed to have sleepovers with children?

To name a few. Jimmy Savile wasn’t convicted of anything but nobody doubts his guilt. Why is that? Probably because he had no charisma or talents.

Probably because it's no secret the British police are useless. And there were literally hundreds of victims.

You missed the line directly before that where he said 'It felt like there was something odd going on, and I still don’t know what it was'.

Going by that video, I think he did know what it was or that it happened to him.

To name a few. Jimmy Savile wasn’t convicted of anything but nobody doubts his guilt. Why is that? Probably because he had no charisma or talents.

No, it’s because there was a ton of evidence that he was an abuser.

Im not saying you are wrong....but do you have a source for that please?

My mother was at school in the sixties and she was hit with sticks

Michael Jackson’s accusers are mounting up as well. A lot of these are now adult males for whom it’s pretty embarrassing to admit that they were molested by an adult male and has caused them to feel confused about their own sexuality and manhood. It’s horrifying.

yes evidence from the people that he abused. But you are bent on calling MJ’s accusers liars.

Yes I do think it was odd that Michael jackson hung around so many young boys, and then got rid of them as they got older.

@MyTrivia perhaps because Savilles victims are credible and haven't spent the majority of their lives making money off his name prior to making accusations

What makes them more credible than Michael Jackson’s accusers?

There is a compensation scheme for Saviles victims (rightly so).

What were the legit, non paedo, reasons MJ had young boys sleeping in his room and in his bed....?

There can't have been a compensation scheme until later on.

Lots of victims spoke out about Saville right after he died

It was a different situation though, many of Michaels accusers had a very complex relationship with Jackson and a lot of love for him. Saville didn't groom his victims in the same way and build relationships with them, as far as I am aware anyway.

One reason.

Mcauley culkin said that michael jacksons bedroom was huge. It had two stories and three bathrooms. I dont know. But he macauley culkin seemed to think it was ok.

Another reason is that michael grew up sharing a room with five brothers. He shared a bed with two brothers.

I have no idea what your point is.

Yes thats true.

Several of MJ victims said that he told them he was in love with them and special.

Saville just preyed on weak kids (foster homes, hospitals) and abused them

It's only odd when people try to come up with alternative explanations for it instead of accepting he's a pedophile. It's not odd for pedophile behaviour. It's completely normal from that perspective.