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Labour Isn't Working - Thread 30

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WaffleBomb · 19/04/2026 17:48

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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strawberrybubblegum · 04/05/2026 12:10

Have to admit, it made me laugh.

"Given the Green Party advocates for open borders and for an infinite number of undocumented men to come here... This is the fairest approach to ensuring democratic consent" Meow!!

More seriously though, I don't like the precedent of doing bad things to constituencies who don't vote for the party which eventually wins, and offering favourable treatment to those who do.

Whilst all parties can be accused of ascribing less importance to those who will never vote for them (eg Labour's muti-pronged assault on the countryside... and on the other side, the Scottish have never forgiven Thatcher for introducing the poll tax in Scotland a year before England and Wales), actually promising favourable treatment as bribe / threat crosses a line.

That's not how our representative democracy is meant to work.

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/50c56fda9496a6bc

boys3 · 04/05/2026 12:15

BlakeCarrington · 04/05/2026 11:27

Might be gimmicky rubbish but it’s quite cunning and will be interesting to see the Green response - are those voters willing to put their money where their mouth is. We shall see.

I’d go a step further. No hotels, barracks, old army camps needed. Surely the virtue signalling legions would want to welcome them to stay in their homes. Save the state loads - catch being as they’re doing the righteous thing there’s no financial recompense, if a school place is needed its at the expense of the host, giving up a place for their offspring if needed , nhs care not a problem but again the host foots the bill.No ceiling on costs.

Quite how spending their own money on other people might play out…..and that’s before we get to all their safeguarding concerns.

I do know that’s at the extreme end of the gimmick continuum of course. But staring harsh reality in the face and having to deal with it rather than passing it off to others to sort out does, ime at least, focus the mind.

unistress · 04/05/2026 12:28

strawberrybubblegum · 04/05/2026 08:02

Actually, that's depressingly true.

With the unquestioned assumption that the puritanical suffering obviously shouldn't apply to them.

Oh the brittle self-esteem and pride of the hard-done-by right-wing British 'patriot'. Utterly heartbreaking.

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Hallowedturf · 04/05/2026 12:37

unistress · 04/05/2026 12:28

Oh the brittle self-esteem and pride of the hard-done-by right-wing British 'patriot'. Utterly heartbreaking.

Come again?

Hallowedturf · 04/05/2026 12:38

Pacificsunshine · 04/05/2026 09:00

Wow! That graph is incendiary. I was surprised at the data breakdown by ethnicity. The comments section was…robust.

A lot of comments to simply not pay noncitizens. It makes sense on the face of it to do just that, but I am not sure that can be practically done. What happens when these people are on the streets? Send them home? Will their home countries accept them? What about their children born in the UK?

Hence the Labour back benches controlled by their constituents…

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Upstartled · 04/05/2026 12:40

I'm saying nothing... apparently we are to be sweet and welcoming to people who cannot read the op, and help to support them as a parent...😙

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Roger that, thanks.

’Plopper’….😆

justasking111 · 04/05/2026 13:07

Hallowedturf · 04/05/2026 07:59

I might be being unfair, but I can quite imagine quiet satisfaction in No. 10 that people will be compelled to holiday at home (or not at all).

The old spite coming through again.

Yep they'll tax you all for going to Scotland, Wales, Cornwall which will probably be extended to other areas holiday makers enjoy.

Six airlines are now going into administration.

strawberrybubblegum · 04/05/2026 13:12

I was thinking a bit more about how representatonal democracy is intended to work. There's some push for electoral reform just now- especially as the 2-party model is collapsing - but it normally limits itself to a move towards proportional representation. I think the election of a representative for a constituency is actually the real strength of our system: they should deeply understand the concerns of their own constituents, and represent those in the houses of parliament.

The big problem is our combative, partisan politicsl parties.

How about this:
1.We keep elections for MPs, but political parties are banned, and candidates are not permitted to align themselves with one. Instead, each candidate explains their own position to the local electorate, campaigning on their own merits. With the Internet, this is easy now, and we already publish each vote by an MP - a level of accountability impossible even 50 years ago.

2.We don't have a whole government of one party: instead each of the offices of state are voted for individually (including a prime minister who largely coordinates). Since they're voted in, that means that those offices are ikely to be aligned with the views of the majority of MPs, and hence the majority of the population. Each office of state still needs to propose their policy, which have to be voted in (exactly as they already have to) but crucially those bills are voted on by MPs with no whip, no party. So it allows for nuance, and cooperation on areas where there's agreement, without having to conform to an adversarial, identity-based rigidity across all issues.

3.The civil service departments report to the relevant secretary of state, as they do now.

4.Instead of a general election called by the prime minister, have elections for 1/3 of the MPs every 2 years in a fixed rhythm like council elections. This stops wild fluctuations, and gives quicker feedback for the electorate to shift the direction of government in a more responsive way. Offices of state to be re-elected after each of these 2-year cycles, and additionally when requested by a minimum number of MPs.

5.No central funding, obviously, since there are no parties. Funding only to local candidates/MPs, with a proof of geographical link. Eg individuals can fund their local candidates, businesses can fund candidates where they are located, trade unions can give the political tithe of their members only to the candidate local to those Union members.

It's kind of moving towards the Swiss system, with more immediate accountability for each bill - but adapted to the UK's size, by keeping it representative through the MP

Thoughts?

justasking111 · 04/05/2026 13:12

boys3 · 04/05/2026 12:15

I’d go a step further. No hotels, barracks, old army camps needed. Surely the virtue signalling legions would want to welcome them to stay in their homes. Save the state loads - catch being as they’re doing the righteous thing there’s no financial recompense, if a school place is needed its at the expense of the host, giving up a place for their offspring if needed , nhs care not a problem but again the host foots the bill.No ceiling on costs.

Quite how spending their own money on other people might play out…..and that’s before we get to all their safeguarding concerns.

I do know that’s at the extreme end of the gimmick continuum of course. But staring harsh reality in the face and having to deal with it rather than passing it off to others to sort out does, ime at least, focus the mind.

Yep let's go further start counting empty bedrooms in houses and barrack immigrants in there or pay a rich tax for keeping them empty.

Hallowedturf · 04/05/2026 13:16

justasking111 · 04/05/2026 13:07

Yep they'll tax you all for going to Scotland, Wales, Cornwall which will probably be extended to other areas holiday makers enjoy.

Six airlines are now going into administration.

Yes…

Ah, I had not see the airline failures - jeez.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 04/05/2026 13:21

strawberrybubblegum · 04/05/2026 13:12

I was thinking a bit more about how representatonal democracy is intended to work. There's some push for electoral reform just now- especially as the 2-party model is collapsing - but it normally limits itself to a move towards proportional representation. I think the election of a representative for a constituency is actually the real strength of our system: they should deeply understand the concerns of their own constituents, and represent those in the houses of parliament.

The big problem is our combative, partisan politicsl parties.

How about this:
1.We keep elections for MPs, but political parties are banned, and candidates are not permitted to align themselves with one. Instead, each candidate explains their own position to the local electorate, campaigning on their own merits. With the Internet, this is easy now, and we already publish each vote by an MP - a level of accountability impossible even 50 years ago.

2.We don't have a whole government of one party: instead each of the offices of state are voted for individually (including a prime minister who largely coordinates). Since they're voted in, that means that those offices are ikely to be aligned with the views of the majority of MPs, and hence the majority of the population. Each office of state still needs to propose their policy, which have to be voted in (exactly as they already have to) but crucially those bills are voted on by MPs with no whip, no party. So it allows for nuance, and cooperation on areas where there's agreement, without having to conform to an adversarial, identity-based rigidity across all issues.

3.The civil service departments report to the relevant secretary of state, as they do now.

4.Instead of a general election called by the prime minister, have elections for 1/3 of the MPs every 2 years in a fixed rhythm like council elections. This stops wild fluctuations, and gives quicker feedback for the electorate to shift the direction of government in a more responsive way. Offices of state to be re-elected after each of these 2-year cycles, and additionally when requested by a minimum number of MPs.

5.No central funding, obviously, since there are no parties. Funding only to local candidates/MPs, with a proof of geographical link. Eg individuals can fund their local candidates, businesses can fund candidates where they are located, trade unions can give the political tithe of their members only to the candidate local to those Union members.

It's kind of moving towards the Swiss system, with more immediate accountability for each bill - but adapted to the UK's size, by keeping it representative through the MP

Thoughts?

Far too complicated.

All we need is a ban on anyone standing at any level of election who is not avowedly virtuous. All that real world, live within your means, property rights, incentive to work, honest currency, internal law and order, and external defence stuff can go hang.

It would be a Labour-Green paradise.

👍

strawberrybubblegum · 04/05/2026 13:38

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 04/05/2026 13:21

Far too complicated.

All we need is a ban on anyone standing at any level of election who is not avowedly virtuous. All that real world, live within your means, property rights, incentive to work, honest currency, internal law and order, and external defence stuff can go hang.

It would be a Labour-Green paradise.

👍

And 16-18 year olds get to decide who is virtuous, right? Grin

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 04/05/2026 13:45

strawberrybubblegum · 04/05/2026 13:38

And 16-18 year olds get to decide who is virtuous, right? Grin

I’d lower the voting age to 11. I think primary school age would be too low. We’d have candidates trying to court the infants and juniors with promises of all-day cartoons and Minecraft.

But secondary age children, yeah, why should they be excluded? They are the future after all.

WaffleBomb · 04/05/2026 14:31

New thread ✨️ ✨️🧵🧵🧵✨️✨️🎉😎

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Oh, is it 2024 again, and having run of the mill boring opinions about truth and reality and a decent grasp of the economic landscape is akin to being a nazi? 🤣

Upstartled · 04/05/2026 15:05

Same old tactics, isn't it? Nothing less than lockstep conformity with the left, through all its anti-semitic, gender waffling, fiscally incontinent policies will suffice.

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I think there will be quite a few Tory votes to oppose Reform. It won’t do the Tories a great deal of good generally, but there will be areas like London and some outer-city zones where it will spare some council seats for the Conservatives.

The same will be true for tight Labour/Reform fights. It won’t stop the Labour carnage but a few Labour councillors will be able to carry on proposing resolutions in support of Palestine, Iran or Venezuela in the council chamber.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 04/05/2026 15:52

Oh no, Fluffy! You got lurked on and zapped.

As you know, I’m a believer in welcoming the Starmer thread wanderers and having a chat. Not so much “Get thee behind me, witch!” more “Come on in love, and have a cup of tea”.

But patrolling and reporting like that is a bit shit TBH.

Albertroad · 04/05/2026 16:05

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 04/05/2026 15:52

Oh no, Fluffy! You got lurked on and zapped.

As you know, I’m a believer in welcoming the Starmer thread wanderers and having a chat. Not so much “Get thee behind me, witch!” more “Come on in love, and have a cup of tea”.

But patrolling and reporting like that is a bit shit TBH.

I love how the pretend they don't lurk..yet accidentally post on here!

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Upstartled · 04/05/2026 16:13
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Yup.

WaffleBomb · 04/05/2026 16:14
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