Labour Isn't Working - Thread 30

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Lord Wilson is very good on Times Radio rn, he is just blunt on what the cause is and just ramping up police isn’t enough.

In most countries he'd simply have been shot.
I hold the complainers in contempt.

I could cry listening to him, he spoke so well.

Kicking people in the head when they are on the ground with a weapon is what police are trained to do so they don't put themselves in a position where they get killed.

I hope we see plenty of support for the police from our politicians today.

Agree

It is hard to listen to.

He could have avoided being kicked in the head by dropping the knife when asked. He chose not to. I'd have fully supported just shooting him dead, frankly.

Yep, no complaints from me either.

It seems odd that nobody - that I heard of - complained about the Manchester attacker being shot dead but kicking a violent multiple stabber in the head when he’s still clutching the knife is supposedly a bad thing.

Agree with PPs: shooting this man would have been entirely justified, let alone kicking him.

A police officer in Mannheim in Germany lost his life to a similar knife attacker, after being stabbed in the neck.
There is no way they should be endangering themselves to protect terrorist scumbags.

Fact check, please (not strictly O/T, but I think most posters on this thread will have a balanced view).

Yesterday I went to a charity shop with some stuff to donate. Someone was at the counter returning an item and two of us were waiting behind her. All quite normal until it became apparent the customer wasn't happy, "I'm a Christian, my Christian name is...!"

Long story short, when making refunds the assistants ask for a customer's name and postcode (normal, I think), but have been told they not use the word Christian so as not to cause offence.

Is this usual practice these days?

@DancingFerret I haven't noticed this, but doesn't mean it's not a thing.
Tbh, I haven't heard the term Christian name for a long time.

It has been eons since I heard anyone refer to a Christian name in any setting. I suppose people may have been told not to use it to avoid offence but it's more likely just fallen out of use.

I can fully believe that staff members might be trained to not ask for Christian names, yes. However, I'm the least woke person on the planet but I probably wouldn't use the word Christian in that context either. I'd have said 'first name,' not because it's more politically correct and less potentially offensive to people of other religions but because it's just more up to date. We can't assume anyone is a Christian, regardless of whether they appear to be white, or sound British. Most British people probably describe themselves as atheists these days.

To be clear, I don't reject the idea of using the phrase 'christian name' but I think saying 'first name' has been standard practice and equally acceptable and interchangeable for probably two or three generations. Fifteen years ago I'm not sure anyone would have felt remotely motivated to be annoyed by that, not even a devout Christian.

But since, in recent years, we've been having our speech and our social mores constantly policed for 'microaggressions', or signs of 'white privilege' or 'colonialist attitudes' or 'unintentional bias' or plain old racism, it's not surprising that things like that have become a bit of a trigger for some people to feel affronted. It's just one more signifier of the erosion of our own culture to make space for other people's.

I think it is usual. I remember disapproval of the term from many years ago, and as WB has said it is now uncommon to hear it. Everyone says ‘first name’ now and that’s all you ever see on online forms.

I’m not saying I approve of the shift, because it’s a linguistic term not a statement of faith, but if it makes some more comfortable and avoids pushback from non-Christians then fair enough.

Only a week to go.
At least they didn't get away with cancelling these elections.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/0373fc39-7c3c-456f-90d2-4d81a27f01c4?shareToken=3419d0b7f731cee9dcbf9b5f4ced69e0

Thank you for your views. I wouldn't have thought anything of it but for the fact the customer at first gave only her surname and the assistant asked for her Christian name, then nearly gave herself a heart attack apologising for giving offence because the charity insists the word isn't used.

The customer made a thing of it, saying she'd already boycotted the NT for being woke and now she'd do the same with that particular charity.

We live in a strange world these days.

Tg for that. Nothing bollard likes more than stalling scrutiny whether it’s whipping against the privileges committee or stopping votes.

Interesting that the Conservatives had the most votes in the poll contained in that article. I know it's The Times, so not necessarily representative, but it does seem the silent majority are gearing up for next week.

😂

😂 (We need the laughter emoji.)

I think the conservatives are under priced.

You can all laugh at me next week if/when I'm proved wrong. 😂

I like Kemi. After a shaky start I think she’s really grown in confidence. She speaks in a direct way, doesn’t resort to cliches and does seem to know enough about most of the subjects she’s questioned on.

I'll keep my fingers crossed @WaffleBomb!

Apparently there is a bigger sex disparity in voting intentions between men and women voting for Labour, than there is for Reform now. And any other party.

I'm not sure what to make of that but it is interesting how these things play out. I think many disgruntled female Labour voters have shifted over to the Greens. I don't know what to think of that either - nothing good.

Yep. She gets Labour going that’s for sure.

I just read the AR stuff, it’s interesting that some will go for those without more than GSCEs as ‘ill-informed’ on some threads and switch to the opposite depending on politics.