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Labour Isn't Working - Thread 30

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WaffleBomb · 19/04/2026 17:48

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 28/04/2026 20:17

WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 20:04

Ha, yes let's see what the consequences are. Perhaps he'll start sacking MPs too!

A few journalists have been saying that Starmer doesn't even have the authority to do the expected post-election reshuffle anymore.

He couldn’t move Miliband in the last reshuffle. Miliband told him to piss off.

Starmer has no authority within his party at all now. And none in the minds of voters either.

If the locals are as bad for Labour as is being polled, I would have a touch more respect for Starmer if he comes out of No. 10 soon after and announces his exit, even with a timetable to the autumn for conference season.

But if there are days of digging in, reshuffling, threats, and compliant ministers scuttling around in front of cameras bigging him up, he will have hit 11 on the 1-10 contempt-o-meter.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/04/2026 20:29

He’s hurting the party.

Some of these MPs will join the Greens, some will stand as independent.

Labour is gaining nothing, Starmer is only gaining a few more days.

Its sad, actually.

justasking111 · 28/04/2026 20:37

Farage didn't vote.

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WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 20:41

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 28/04/2026 20:17

He couldn’t move Miliband in the last reshuffle. Miliband told him to piss off.

Starmer has no authority within his party at all now. And none in the minds of voters either.

If the locals are as bad for Labour as is being polled, I would have a touch more respect for Starmer if he comes out of No. 10 soon after and announces his exit, even with a timetable to the autumn for conference season.

But if there are days of digging in, reshuffling, threats, and compliant ministers scuttling around in front of cameras bigging him up, he will have hit 11 on the 1-10 contempt-o-meter.

Yes. I agree.
His behaviour is just increasing contempt for him.
I still don't think he'll resign though, he'll have to be forced out. I watched his interview with Cathy Newman lastnight. Every interview he does now reduces his standing further, yet he keeps doing them.
He genuinely believes that we need him. I refer back to a comment I read in The Times - 'he's a legend in his own head".

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WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 20:42

justasking111 · 28/04/2026 20:37

Farage didn't vote.

He rarely does. He's rarely there!

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EasternStandard · 28/04/2026 20:43

WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 20:41

Yes. I agree.
His behaviour is just increasing contempt for him.
I still don't think he'll resign though, he'll have to be forced out. I watched his interview with Cathy Newman lastnight. Every interview he does now reduces his standing further, yet he keeps doing them.
He genuinely believes that we need him. I refer back to a comment I read in The Times - 'he's a legend in his own head".

He certainly is. If he was so confident people liked him as much as he thinks, and a few on here do, he wouldn’t need to whip.

Still some apologists out there. Hope the hammering at the locals is huge.

justasking111 · 28/04/2026 20:44

WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 20:42

He rarely does. He's rarely there!

My MP wasn't there. She had a proxy vote.

EasternStandard · 28/04/2026 20:45

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/04/2026 20:29

He’s hurting the party.

Some of these MPs will join the Greens, some will stand as independent.

Labour is gaining nothing, Starmer is only gaining a few more days.

Its sad, actually.

Not sure. I’d love to think this is the case.

WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 20:46

justasking111 · 28/04/2026 20:44

My MP wasn't there. She had a proxy vote.

Is she Labour? How did she vote?

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WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 20:49

EasternStandard · 28/04/2026 20:43

He certainly is. If he was so confident people liked him as much as he thinks, and a few on here do, he wouldn’t need to whip.

Still some apologists out there. Hope the hammering at the locals is huge.

Yep. Kemi has played him like a fiddle here. I suspect she knew the shitweasel would use the whip. That will come back to bite him.

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EasternStandard · 28/04/2026 20:52

WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 20:49

Yep. Kemi has played him like a fiddle here. I suspect she knew the shitweasel would use the whip. That will come back to bite him.

If he had been cleared by a committee he could do a see I’m up to scrutiny line. With this it stinks massively and he’s a shit weasel.

I really do hope there’s manoeuvres from anyone really.

There was a bit about AB but has gone quiet, maybe waiting til post 7th.

justasking111 · 28/04/2026 20:54

WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 20:46

Is she Labour? How did she vote?

Yes labour. Voted no.

WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 20:57

justasking111 · 28/04/2026 20:54

Yes labour. Voted no.

Same for my Labour MP.

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justasking111 · 28/04/2026 21:05

Diane Abbott voted Aye 🤣

WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 21:11

justasking111 · 28/04/2026 21:05

Diane Abbott voted Aye 🤣

She is living her best life atm. 😂😂
Love it. Go on Diane!

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EasternStandard · 28/04/2026 21:14

WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 21:11

She is living her best life atm. 😂😂
Love it. Go on Diane!

More decency than diehard Labour that’s for sure!

WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 21:39

Tim Stanley's sketch on Morgan McSweeney today is worth a read. I needed a laugh after all that nonsense today.

archive.today/rhcjn

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justasking111 · 28/04/2026 21:50

WaffleBomb · 28/04/2026 21:39

Tim Stanley's sketch on Morgan McSweeney today is worth a read. I needed a laugh after all that nonsense today.

archive.today/rhcjn

OH that's funny.

CandidLurker · 28/04/2026 23:37

just finished watching the select committee on you tube. How does someone like Morgan McSweeney get a role like that. He was called Chief of Staff but he didn’t seem to actually run an office. They should have asked him to describe his role and his day-to- day responsibilities. Also would an English person be able to get a job at the heart of the government of the Republic of Ireland. I think not!

CruCru · 29/04/2026 07:20

NoWordForFluffy · 28/04/2026 20:07

Link to check how the MPs voted:

votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/2347

This is interesting. Emily Thornberry voted no (unsurprising - she never actually opposes her party leader in anything).

Jeremy Corbyn and Nigel Farage had their votes show as “no vote recorded”. There were quite a few Labour MPs who did this too - presumably they lose the whip too, a three line whip means they have to turn up and vote the way they are told to.

NoWordForFluffy · 29/04/2026 07:30

CruCru · 29/04/2026 07:20

This is interesting. Emily Thornberry voted no (unsurprising - she never actually opposes her party leader in anything).

Jeremy Corbyn and Nigel Farage had their votes show as “no vote recorded”. There were quite a few Labour MPs who did this too - presumably they lose the whip too, a three line whip means they have to turn up and vote the way they are told to.

I did the maths on this. If all of them (Labour MPs who voted for and those who didn't vote) lose the whip, it reduces the government majority to a rather more slender 40! Interesting times. (And shows how idiotic it was to make it a three line whip to start with.)

Starmer is a dictator who's losing control and spiralling at this point. 'Stability' indeed.

EasternStandard · 29/04/2026 07:33

NoWordForFluffy · 29/04/2026 07:30

I did the maths on this. If all of them (Labour MPs who voted for and those who didn't vote) lose the whip, it reduces the government majority to a rather more slender 40! Interesting times. (And shows how idiotic it was to make it a three line whip to start with.)

Starmer is a dictator who's losing control and spiralling at this point. 'Stability' indeed.

Its not democratic at all to whip on it. I’m
surprised it’s an allowable feature for the privileges process since the person who should be under scrutiny gets to avoid it by threatening job loss.

He's a coward for sure, the one silver lining is that he and they are facing local elections.

NoWordForFluffy · 29/04/2026 08:01

EasternStandard · 29/04/2026 07:33

Its not democratic at all to whip on it. I’m
surprised it’s an allowable feature for the privileges process since the person who should be under scrutiny gets to avoid it by threatening job loss.

He's a coward for sure, the one silver lining is that he and they are facing local elections.

I totally agree. Scrutiny shouldn't be avoided in this way. It just makes him look guilty, IMO!

Pacificsunshine · 29/04/2026 08:11

In the Steerpike column of The Spectator:

Oh dear. Just when you thought a British ambassador to the US couldn’t possibly cause any more grief for Sir Keir Starmer, enter Christian Turner. Peter Mandelson set a high bar for humiliating Labour ministers, but the career diplomat – who took up post in February – has given the Dark Lord a run for his money. Somewhere in King Charles Street, Karen Pierce is having the last laugh…
The latest kerfuffle centres on a leaked recording of Turner dispensing pearls of wisdom to a group of British students on a jolly to DC, in the same month that he took up residence. The audio, obtained by the Financial Times, contains a selection of eyebrow-raising comments, not least the ambassador’s verdict that the much-vaunted ‘Special Relationship’ is rather ‘backwards-looking’ and weighed down by ‘baggage’. Coming at a time when Starmer is trying keep Donald Trump onside, that is very much NOT the party line.
The real ‘Special Relationship’, Turner confided to the school kids, is between the United States and Israel. Not content with geopolitics, the ambassador enlivened his audience with thoughts on domestic drama. Sir Keir, he suggested, is ‘pretty clearly on the ropes’, a ringside assessment that rather stretches the Civil Service Code’s enthusiasm for political neutrality. The Mandelson saga, Turner declared, has ‘nearly brought down the government’, leaving the Prime Minister’s future ‘quite touch and go’. Some, er, ‘brave’ thoughts, in Sir Humphrey parlance…
As for Mandelson himself, Turner reportedly waved away the scandal as ‘a bit of a red herring’, hinting that the real problem involved ‘a bunch of associations that were embarrassing to him and the government that had not been revealed’. The poor souls in the Foreign Office press office were left performing their now-familiar fire drill – all during the King’s high stakes visit to Washington DC. The official line is that the remarks were merely ‘private, informal comments’ to visiting students and ‘certainly not any reflection of the UK government’s position’. Come back Kim Darroch all is forgiven…
It is one thing for excitable backbenchers to gossip about the PM’s prospects. But for Britain’s top diplomat in Washington to offer such commentary to a gaggle of student is, even by Whitehall standards, a curious choice. What is it with Our Man in D.C.?

Pacificsunshine · 29/04/2026 08:12

I wonder what the embarrassing associations are, and what school the children were from.

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