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Godrabbit · 01/05/2026 20:31

GarlicMind · 01/05/2026 20:29

All of this. Freemantle has Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome, a severe form of epilepsy presenting with multiple types of seizure. It's unknown whether she was legal to drive - if she'd been seizure-free for a year or more, she may have declared it and been cleared. But she may never have declared it.

A 'pillar of the community type', she's served on the boards of several schools including The Study.

The suspicion is that officers may have been over-eager to support this middle-class white woman, who had accidentally killed two brown children.

Having a medical emergency while driving isn't a crime, though failing to declare a condition to the DVLA is.

Source? Cos if it's that AI blog then it's a load of nonsense. LGS is not something she'd have been able to hide.

Oftenaddled · 01/05/2026 20:32

Trampoline · 01/05/2026 20:14

Apparently, she got out of the car after the incident, after driving a distance which must have taken less then 1 minute. So, this unconscious period you are referring to must have been very short indeed. But yes, a momentary blackout could have caused this - if indeed there was a blackout.

It's also quite normal for seizures to last less than a minute, so this just doesn't tell us anything

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 20:32

AlecTrevelyan006 · 01/05/2026 20:29

average weight of a land rover is between 2,300 kg and 2,800 kg (approx 5,000–6,200 lbs)
average weight of a mini cooper is between approx. 1,225–1,770 (approx 2,700-3,900 lbs)

does this make a difference in an accident? the short answer is yes

https://findingspress.org/article/141647-do-sports-utility-vehicles-suvs-cause-more-severe-injuries-to-pedestrians-and-cyclists-than-passenger-cars-in-the-case-of-a-crash-findings-from-gr

We conclude that in Great Britain, being hit by an SUV as opposed to a passenger car increases injury severity among pedestrians and cyclists, with the strongest effect in children. This effect is well-captured by the dimensions of weight and height, but not by length.

Yea impact with the bumper ca be fatal for kids

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 20:32

Their poor little bodies didn’t stand a chance 😞

let alone all the other people majorly injured

and people trying to say the families are making a meal of it!

lost only child on horrific circumstances and have your own life changing injuries

Trampoline · 01/05/2026 20:33

GarlicMind · 01/05/2026 20:29

All of this. Freemantle has Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome, a severe form of epilepsy presenting with multiple types of seizure. It's unknown whether she was legal to drive - if she'd been seizure-free for a year or more, she may have declared it and been cleared. But she may never have declared it.

A 'pillar of the community type', she's served on the boards of several schools including The Study.

The suspicion is that officers may have been over-eager to support this middle-class white woman, who had accidentally killed two brown children.

Having a medical emergency while driving isn't a crime, though failing to declare a condition to the DVLA is.

I think you are mixing up the media coverage - it was one of the victim's mothers who was on the board of governors at the school....

Allisnotlost1 · 01/05/2026 20:33

GarlicMind · 01/05/2026 20:29

All of this. Freemantle has Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome, a severe form of epilepsy presenting with multiple types of seizure. It's unknown whether she was legal to drive - if she'd been seizure-free for a year or more, she may have declared it and been cleared. But she may never have declared it.

A 'pillar of the community type', she's served on the boards of several schools including The Study.

The suspicion is that officers may have been over-eager to support this middle-class white woman, who had accidentally killed two brown children.

Having a medical emergency while driving isn't a crime, though failing to declare a condition to the DVLA is.

Where are you getting this utter nonsense from? This is the type of post that should be removed imo, it’s utter fantasy, sailing close to the wind on prejudicial and is a reputational risk for MN.

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 20:36

Allisnotlost1 · 01/05/2026 20:33

Where are you getting this utter nonsense from? This is the type of post that should be removed imo, it’s utter fantasy, sailing close to the wind on prejudicial and is a reputational risk for MN.

If it’s utter fantasy it’s ok

why do people keep trying to shut conversation down????

A mumset thread of speculation is not going to prejudice any jury - we are discussing the days developing news

stop panicking or don’t join in

Allisnotlost1 · 01/05/2026 20:39

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 20:36

If it’s utter fantasy it’s ok

why do people keep trying to shut conversation down????

A mumset thread of speculation is not going to prejudice any jury - we are discussing the days developing news

stop panicking or don’t join in

I’m not panicking because I’m not saying anything ridiculous. I think posts like that will result in the thread being pulled. So if you want to continue to discuss it, it makes sense to not want those kinds of posts. It’s not adding anything to the discussion is it?

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 20:42

Allisnotlost1 · 01/05/2026 20:39

I’m not panicking because I’m not saying anything ridiculous. I think posts like that will result in the thread being pulled. So if you want to continue to discuss it, it makes sense to not want those kinds of posts. It’s not adding anything to the discussion is it?

Well it is for me - and the whole of that post is public knowledge - I found it interesting

why are you worried about ridiculous comments

look a mumsnet discussion of the days news is not like a report front page in the mirror etc for goodness sake

Allisnotlost1 · 01/05/2026 20:46

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 20:42

Well it is for me - and the whole of that post is public knowledge - I found it interesting

why are you worried about ridiculous comments

look a mumsnet discussion of the days news is not like a report front page in the mirror etc for goodness sake

It’s not public knowledge, it’s factually incorrect. I personally don’t see the value in discussing made up nonsense, but if you want to then of course knock yourself out.

Netcurtainnelly · 01/05/2026 20:49

I hope she wasn't on the phone?

Cyclebabble · 01/05/2026 20:49

I do not think as yet that we have a full understanding of exactly what happened here and this will come out at trial. At a surface level it does look as if Police offers accepted a very surface level expectation without doing any digging and that it has taken a considerable campaign by the parents to get any form of investigation.

GarlicMind · 01/05/2026 20:51

Trampoline · 01/05/2026 20:33

I think you are mixing up the media coverage - it was one of the victim's mothers who was on the board of governors at the school....

I take back the epilepsy diagnosis. Other reports say her medical records contained no mention of seizures. You're right, I was looking at mixed sources.

She and her husband have consistently supported children's charities and she's shown special interest in early education, so she may well have served as a governor.

I've been assuming she was tested for alcohol and drugs ... but perhaps she wasn't? Something made her veer off the road like that, it wasn't a simple swerve or skid.

Itsmetheflamingo · 01/05/2026 20:52

Netcurtainnelly · 01/05/2026 20:49

I hope she wasn't on the phone?

Do you seriously think if she was on her phone she would’ve crashed through a hedge, a field, a children’s picnic then crashed into a building without reacting? Carried on whasapping?

Netcurtainnelly · 01/05/2026 20:54

Itsmetheflamingo · 01/05/2026 20:52

Do you seriously think if she was on her phone she would’ve crashed through a hedge, a field, a children’s picnic then crashed into a building without reacting? Carried on whasapping?

not sure what you mean. It's possible she was on the phone and wasn't concentrating . It wouldn't be the first time an accident has happened that way.
I'm sure they will be able to prove that one though either way.

FernandoSor · 01/05/2026 20:56

Kimura · 01/05/2026 13:37

Which could mean any potential super injunction has recently been lifted in light of new developments.

Super injunctions are meaningless these days. Her photo and details have been visisble to anyone who knows how to use google ever since the original incident. Not in UK news websites perhaps, but certainly on sites outwith the jurisdiction of the English courts such as Reddit.

Trampoline · 01/05/2026 20:56

Trampoline · 01/05/2026 20:33

I think you are mixing up the media coverage - it was one of the victim's mothers who was on the board of governors at the school....

Actually i think i am wrong, one of the victim's mums was i think chair of PTA, not a governor. (Keen not to add more nonsense to this thread!)

Itsmetheflamingo · 01/05/2026 20:57

Netcurtainnelly · 01/05/2026 20:54

not sure what you mean. It's possible she was on the phone and wasn't concentrating . It wouldn't be the first time an accident has happened that way.
I'm sure they will be able to prove that one though either way.

the police have said she made no attempt to break. That doesn’t align with a phone distraction

Itsmetheflamingo · 01/05/2026 20:58

FernandoSor · 01/05/2026 20:56

Super injunctions are meaningless these days. Her photo and details have been visisble to anyone who knows how to use google ever since the original incident. Not in UK news websites perhaps, but certainly on sites outwith the jurisdiction of the English courts such as Reddit.

I don’t think there is any way in the world she had a super injunction

Allisnotlost1 · 01/05/2026 20:58

Statement from her solicitor today (on LBC). Obviously only their version of events but would be remarkably stupid to say anything that could be disproven in court.

“Moments before the crash Claire suffered an epileptic seizure with loss of consciousness and memory. This diagnosis was not offered by Claire herself or made by an expert instructed by Claire but by an independent medical expert instructed by the police.

"Witnesses at the scene have been quoted in the media as describing Claire as being delirious and having bitten through her tongue, characteristic of those who have just suffered an epileptic fit.

"Paramedics who saw her immediately afterwards described her as being in the ‘postictal state’ also symptomatic of those who have just suffered an epileptic fit.

“Claire offered the police her full medical records. The police confirmed these medical records showed that she had never previously suffered any symptoms of epilepsy. The CPS decision at that time was not to charge Claire because there was no element of legal culpability.

“Throughout this second investigation, no further medical evidence has been submitted to contradict the diagnosis of epilepsy. We can, however, confirm that since 6 July 2023, Claire has suffered further seizures. The police are aware of these. She remains under medical care and treatment for her condition.”

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 20:59

Allisnotlost1 · 01/05/2026 20:46

It’s not public knowledge, it’s factually incorrect. I personally don’t see the value in discussing made up nonsense, but if you want to then of course knock yourself out.

Edited

Ah there you go - being demeaning as you can’t get your own way and influence what we discuss

it is public knowledge - taken direct from a website vocal voice or something - doesn’t mean it’s true but it wasn’t made up by poster

just chat to people you want to and leave us alone - you don’t get to censor our chats

you are contradicting yourself - saying don’t discuss and watch out you could prejudice case and then saying what we are discussing isn’t true so therefore it couldn’t do what you think

why are you so bothered? Go and chat with who you want

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 21:00

Allisnotlost1 · 01/05/2026 20:58

Statement from her solicitor today (on LBC). Obviously only their version of events but would be remarkably stupid to say anything that could be disproven in court.

“Moments before the crash Claire suffered an epileptic seizure with loss of consciousness and memory. This diagnosis was not offered by Claire herself or made by an expert instructed by Claire but by an independent medical expert instructed by the police.

"Witnesses at the scene have been quoted in the media as describing Claire as being delirious and having bitten through her tongue, characteristic of those who have just suffered an epileptic fit.

"Paramedics who saw her immediately afterwards described her as being in the ‘postictal state’ also symptomatic of those who have just suffered an epileptic fit.

“Claire offered the police her full medical records. The police confirmed these medical records showed that she had never previously suffered any symptoms of epilepsy. The CPS decision at that time was not to charge Claire because there was no element of legal culpability.

“Throughout this second investigation, no further medical evidence has been submitted to contradict the diagnosis of epilepsy. We can, however, confirm that since 6 July 2023, Claire has suffered further seizures. The police are aware of these. She remains under medical care and treatment for her condition.”

Obv very biased

I thought that tongue thing was very old school

I don’t believe a word of it!

Pippilongstocking2 · 01/05/2026 21:02

Or maybe they have found out she’d had suspicions and discussed with people 🤷🏻‍♀️

FernandoSor · 01/05/2026 21:05

Itsmetheflamingo · 01/05/2026 20:52

Do you seriously think if she was on her phone she would’ve crashed through a hedge, a field, a children’s picnic then crashed into a building without reacting? Carried on whasapping?

Yes. Drivers who are distracted frequently panic when they have a collision. They let go of the wheel, they freeze up, they hit the accelerator instead of the brake. Hitting the curb unexpectedly while distracted could easily result in any or all of these reactions. The time between hitting the curb and hitting the building was a couple of seconds (assuming she was not exceeding the speed limit).

When driving an extremely heavy vehicle with high clearance and big tyres the results can be disastrous as obstructions that would stop a normal-sized car are simply barged through or rolled over.

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