Ian Huntley has died

[Viviennemary]

That's according to BBC news. Can't say I'm sorry.

A monster killed by a monster. Nothing to celebrate here. Now there's going to be a court case as the vile man who killed him is tried for murder. I hope the press don't use it as an opportunity to rehash both cases. The families of all the victims have been through enough.

Maybe prisoners who commit violence in prison should be in solitary for the rest of their stay - might put them off the idea especially lifers who have nothing to lose.

Whatever pain and suffering he went through is Infintisemal compared to that of the parents and family of the two wee girls he raped and murdered. I hope he burns in hell for eternity.

I hope his arse blazes in hell forever.

Truth. It’s getting awfully American around here.

Yeah, it's great until we uncover (after the fact), yet another miscarriage of justice.

Aside from the fact I hope Jessica and Holly’s families can have some closure now, and notwithstanding his existence was at the expense of the taxpayer, I felt there was some small justice in the fact he must live every day in fear. Fear he had no qualms inflicting on those poor little girls. Sadly now he is at peace. Perhaps a life of fear and suffering would have been worse.

If that changed tomorrow they will still find a a way to get at someone.

Apparently W. Couzens is shit scared that he will be next.
I bloody well hope so!!

Agreed. And we don't compensate those who were unfairly locked up either, we charge them for their board and "lodging" while in jail. The system really sucks.

However, I'd make an exception to the death penalty for a few people. Huntley would have been one of them. Couzens another. The cross-bow killer another. Where there is absolutely no doubt of guilt. But I know it's wrong to feel that way. A civilised country does not murder people.

A good reminder to not commit crimes and end up in prison.

Especially if other prisoners can do it instead of the state.

Yes I would be very happy about that. But he can rot there for a few more years please. He needs to live in fear.

No. Nor is the fact that one monster has succeeded in taking out another monster, and that casual, cavalier murder is these people's standard language. These are not the sort we want adminstering 'justice', or dominating our prison system and putting its staff at constant risk.

Some of the comments online to the tune that 'heros don't all wear capes' and 'I'd like to buy him a pint' are nauseating.

The person they are talking about is a triple (now quadruple) murderer and rapist.

That's the thing though. You support the state execution of people, or you don't. There are no 'exceptions'.

Why do some people think Maxine Carr deserved the death penalty?

No one mourns the wicked.

I find it frightening that anyone can describe this as justice.

Well, that's not quite true is it? I am sure the friends and family of those that commit heinous crimes have terribly mixed feelings and emotions about it all.

Is this true? If you’re held wrongly in prison you have to pay for staying there?

There are certain people who you just can't rehabiliate.

I think we lock far too many people up and the only people who should be locked up are those who are a danger to society - murderers and rapists - and arsonists. There's a need for some short sharp shock treatment as well - 1-3 month sentences for things like contempt of court.

But it's a waste of time and effort to lock a lot of people up. They'd be much better working, and employers need to stop using DBS checks as fishing expeditions. Probably for another thread though. And there are no votes in prison reform.

This is what happens when a load of violent, reprehensible men spend years living at close quarters with each other. Throw in significant mental health issues and not having anything to lose, and it creates a situation almost impossible to prevent prison crime. I really feel for the staff who live with this on a daily basis.

I am relieved that Holly and Jessica's families might finally get closure though.

Yes! I know it doesn't sound like it could be true, but it is! They deduct board and lodging from the compensation!

Yes there are. As I also said on the other thread it is possible to believe two things at the same time. Everything is nuanced.

And one of the main reasons to oppose the death penalty is because of miscarriages of justice. But with Huntley and Couzens, we know they did it. There is no doubt, reasonable or otherwise.

But I do hope the prisoner who killed him isn't charged with murder, he did society a favour, money saved and a monster who would have in days gone been hung no longer than a month after conviction is finally dispatched.

But those exceptions mean you are for the death penalty.