I'm no fan of Donald Trump, but..

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I'm no fan of Trump but imagine if Biden or Harris had won the 2024 election:

Maduro would still be destroying Venezuela

The Ayatollah would still be killing his own people in Iran

Iran would still have nuclear weapons

There would probably still be Israeli hostages in Gaza

India and Pakistan could be at war

As could Armenia and Azerbaijan; Rwanda and DRC; Egypt and Ethiopia; and Cambodia and Thailand

Russia would be in a much stronger position in Ukraine

Other NATO countries would be spending less on defence.

He's not very good domestically but that's an incredible record on foreign affairs. Let's face it: The world would be on fire if Biden or Harris had won. Trump is seen as a strong man around the world and, outside of the west, that's probably respected.

Trump certainly hasn't done this to free Iranian women from the repressive regime. Everything he does is to benefit him. He wants a distraction from the Epstein files so his manifesto pledge of 'no more wars' has gone out of the window.

There is a new video of a slurring Trump talking about American troops killed by Iran: 'Sadly, there will likely be more before it ends. That's the way it is. Likely be more.'

He doesn't care about anybody except himself. He is willing to sacrifice US troops which isn't surprising as he has previously referred to American troops who have died in combat as 'suckers' and 'losers'. He has said that he preferred soldiers who didn't get killed. He managed to dodge the Vietnam draft five times. He is the worst ever President of the USA and a disgusting, utterly grotesque human being.

The ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent has just posted:

'Pres Trump told me tonight the US had identified possible candidates to take over Iran, but they were killed in the initial attack. "The attack was so successful it knocked out most of the candidates,"

Trump told me. "It's not going to be anybody that we were thinking of because they are all dead. Second or third place is dead."'

What an utter farcical shit-show.

I think they would love a US friendly guy in charge in Iran, but largely don’t care. An Iran plunged into years of civil war is an Iran out of action when it comes to funding terrorist as too busy fighting amongst themselves. US will
leave it to Iran to sort out their regime
change.

You clearly haven't understood or engaged with a word of what any of us have actually been saying. Or else you are just deliberately trying to misrepresent us.

I hate the Iranian regime, and I am not defending them in any way. I do not think that the Ayatollah's death is a loss. I have also been following the situation in Iran for years. I have a very close Iranian friend who has many friends and family in Iran. And I used to work with asylum seekers and refugees, many of whom were Iranian. I am well aware of how desperate the Iranian people are for change, and I'm aware that some are now celebrating because they see this attack as an opportunity for change. But I also know some are also deeply fearful about how things may unfold from here, and I understand their fears.

I see that the evil Ayatollah has been killed. However, I also see that the Iranian regime which he led is still in control of the country, and it is by no means clear that the US/Israel have any sort of plan for what comes next - they appear to be hoping that, now they have removed the so-called supreme leader, the unarmed Iranian people will somehow be able to rise up against their government and effect regime change for themselves. So they may be back to where they started, with the added threat of an escalating regional conflict and a regime that feels it no longer has anything to lose. Add in the less than glorious history of what has happened in other countries in the region after US attempts at "regime change" and it's hard to feel an unbridled sense of optimistism about the future for Iran. Of course, I sincerely hope that it will all work out wonderfully for them, but there is a very long road ahead and I don't think it is unreasonable to have some concerns.

Then, alongside all of that, there are questions about process. The US president has gone to war without consulting Congress and without seeking any kind of international consensus, quite possibly on order to distract the attention of the media away from uncomfortable stories closer to home. Are we happy to live in a world in which powerful leaders feel emboldened to swoop in and take out the regimes of other countries at will? Would it not be better to have some checks and balances on such activity? Are we OK with the idea that China, Russia etc might take this as a green light to take out some of the people that they're not so happy with? Are we saying that international law is just an irrelevance now?

Islamo leftism describes the alliance between segments of the political left and political Islam— the term was created by Pierre-André Taguieff, the French Philosopher in 2002.

It is a controversial, and contradictory political alliance that has grown in Europe and the UK, especially since the recent Gaza conflict.

While seemingly ideologically opposed, these groups have formed a tactical alliance , primarily driven by the pro Palestinian cause but also shared opposition to the West, foreign policy, identity politics and victim hood and capitalism.

The left turns a blind eye to the the conservative, traditional, and illiberal views of Islam on issues like gender, LGBTQ+ rights, and secularism, because of the left's commitment to multiculturalism and anti-racism.

However this alliance is tactical and temporary, and that in the long run, these two ideologies are incompatible.

Examples of Islamo leftism would be George Gallaway, Corbyn, Zara Sultana and increasingly the Green Party.

I really don't care what Trump's motives are.

What I care about is ending an oppressive regime that has so far killed around 30,000 protesters this year, was behind 20 terrorist plots in the UK and has been a destabilising influence and supporter of terrorism in the Middle East for nearly 50 years.

What is clear is that if the price is agreeing with Trump then many posters would rather the brutal Iranian regime stay in place.

The regime is still in place, in case you hadn't noticed. Just with different leaders.

It isn't at all clear yet how things are going to pan out.

You don't care that he is doing this to try and escape the burning dumpster fire of a fact that he is likely a paedophile.

Nice. 👏

No he's not - this is just a wild conspiracy theory that you've latched onto. Unless of course you would like to share evidence of your claims?

https://fullfact.org/us/trump-epstein-fake-image-ai/#:~:text=Although%20this%20particular%20image%20is%20fake%2C%20there,footage%20of%20Mr%20Trump%20and%20Epstein%20together.

The real reason is that the US and Iran have against each other for the last 50 years.

With the recent protests and economic struggles in Iran, Trump had decided that now is the perfect time to try and topple the regime. Whether he is right is of course another question that only time will tell.

The definition of few = 2 or 3.
Biden dropped out in July IIRC.
About 13-15 weeks before election day (November).
13 to 15 is >> 2 or 3

I know someone IRL who is big Trump fan. "He gets things done!" She likes the strong man image, I guess. Which is funny because I think of DJT as a shouty bullying floppy fish, like this.

"The world would be on fire"

You don't think the world is on fire now?
What do you think this chart looks like if updated thru today?

A few people are trying to get this rumour going and it seems such a bonkers take.
If there is new evidence from the Epstein files or anywhere else about Trump being a pedophile, then that will be front page news with or without Iran. News outlets can cope with two massive stories at once - it's not going to slip under the radar.

The fact that people are so willing to say goodbye to International law, something that came from about due to the horrendous crimes in WW2, something that is designed to protect the sovereignty of our countries and the lives and dignity of people saddens me deeply. With Trump pushing for his 'Board of peace' to take over from the UN there are going to be interesting times ahead and people are just sleep walking into it like toddlers who are unable to see further ahead than the current moment.

I think @MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack has already explained things well.
You freely admit that you haven't bothered to read the posts on here but still wade in wringing your hands saying 'make it make sense'. Perhaps if you took the trouble to read the posts, it might help you. Iran contains 100 million people. You don't speak for all of them, nor do any of us.

I don't believe that any powerful country or individual should be able to simply attack another country because the regime is unfriendly to them and their ally in the region (Israel), particularly without even attempting to follow international law and procedures nor without going through his own domestic process.
There is no risk of Iranian nuclear weapons and there was no risk of a US attack. In fact, according to Trump's grandiose statements back last ? June, they Americans eliminated all the Iranian uranium, etc, etc. That alleged reason does not exist, making this all about regime change. Some people on here seem to find that an acceptable region for starting a regional war. I do not. It continues a very dangerous, American precedent for any country to simply attack another.
I find the response of many Westerners very naive, lacking in critical thinking, not to speak of the lack of understanding of the history of these sort of American attacks. A lot of people seem to simply assume that the murderous Ayatollahs will be removed and that someone 'nice', ie friendly to the West will fall seamlessly into place as the new leader. The chances of that are low if you look at history. Insead, you run the risk of massive escalation, massive civilian loss (several on here seem totally unconcerned about reports about school children having being murdered and a hospital hit) total destabilisation of the region, and even the risk of a general escalation of violence.

What really is bonkers is to think that there is not a huge amount of dirt on DJT in those files. The chances of there being nothing are zero. It is therefore clear that there is a massive cover up going on, something which the CIA and Israelis will be involved in. Trump's primary interest is himself. He would absolutely launch a war to save himself. Money and power talks. Don't think it doesn't.

BBC Verify have disputed this claim:

'This claim, taken from a Telegram channel, is completely untrue. Iranian authorities have not taken responsibility for a deadly blast near a primary school in Minab that killed dozens of school children, nor have they said that the damage was caused by an IRGC missile.'

https://x.com/Shayan86/status/2028271710819012622

The problem is the files have not been released showing anything about Trump a war stops normal political debate in cenate so priority is shifted away from pushing for the files and also the activities in ice detention centres so evidence isnt going to come out. The public are now more concerned about war and the impact on them. Just like Ukraine is no longer a front runner its "old news" and until something major changes it doesnt make headlines

Normally I like to wade in and take apart conspiracy theories, but this one is so batshit crazy and out there that I really don't know where to start.

That said it could be improved by maybe weaving in Farage and Putin into it somehow.

Correct!..he could cure cancer and some people would be out protesting that too 😣

He is not curing cancer, he has bombed a country without a plan

Are you saying the Israelis control the CIA? Goodness. How alarming.

Er, turn on your irony alert 😅

Should we not wait and see what their plan is? Would you not assume even if they did have a plan they wouldn't tell us? Or do you think what you read is enough to come to the conclusion that they have no plan

No, I don’t think we should have to wait for that information.

Just like I don’t think we should wait and see if leaders follow the correct legal process before they bomb other countries.

I fully expect that when Keir Starmer inevitably decides to get involved more actively, he tells us that and explains his rationale.

I see that daft woman Isobel Oakshott was on the TV. She went to Dubai to get out of paying taxes. I bet she's regretting it now. Stick to boring, safe old England and pay your taxes dear.