I'm no fan of Donald Trump, but..

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I'm no fan of Trump but imagine if Biden or Harris had won the 2024 election:

Maduro would still be destroying Venezuela

The Ayatollah would still be killing his own people in Iran

Iran would still have nuclear weapons

There would probably still be Israeli hostages in Gaza

India and Pakistan could be at war

As could Armenia and Azerbaijan; Rwanda and DRC; Egypt and Ethiopia; and Cambodia and Thailand

Russia would be in a much stronger position in Ukraine

Other NATO countries would be spending less on defence.

He's not very good domestically but that's an incredible record on foreign affairs. Let's face it: The world would be on fire if Biden or Harris had won. Trump is seen as a strong man around the world and, outside of the west, that's probably respected.

Have you listened to Trump?

Free to read
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/01/us/politics/trump-iran-war-interview.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QFA.jY5R.INg2U4-5_js0&smid=bs-share

Senate? Unless you're thinking of cenotaph, but that wouldn't make sense.

Ukraine is very much on my mind, over a million russians killed, north Korean troops killed in their thousands, south Americans and Africans being tricked into fighting for Russia...Ukraine's neighbours are even more twitchy than usual about Russia, many of them gladly escaped communism and see authoritarianism on the march again...and they are our allies in the UK. But I shouldn't assume you are in the UK of course.

Doesn't work on this board, the background levels are too high to calibrate it.

Ha at these posts

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The stupid is strong on this thread

The evacuation has begun in Dubai.
https://www.threads.com/@tribevenda/post/DVX1y9dDLKs?xmt=AQF08mcb7TuqHXHSWs1xzU-vWTAjzwjKV2R9Nva5PDlpE1Ye21X3sARH0ZZw41ZLBDsENl10&slof=1

Lol! I doubt whether Trump has done a kind or selfless deed ever in his life. He is the epitome of self-interest, narcissism, self-aggrandisement and spite.

The clips of him joking with Billy Bush saying 'I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything' and him imitating/mocking the journalist with cerebral palsy should have stopped any normal and decent human being from voting for him back in 2016.

Some people aren’t interested in educating themselves on actual iranian lives or listening to our actual cries. Our voices have been ignored for decades now and no one wanted to hear us and that’s exactly how we’ve come to the position that we are in today with the these developments

This is so true, @Addybee - and then we get people claiming that their little totem Corbyn wouldn't be known as an antisemite if it wasn't for the media

I guess it's understandable really; when folk have spent so long supporting this horror it can't be easy to recognise the reality, so they pretend not to be aware and avoid the truth so many are offering

And from the BBC news:

One user wrote: "Even if the IR regime did not directly target schools, the deaths of children in Minab remain the responsibility of the Islamic Republic.

"People have no shelters, the internet is cut, phone lines are down, and there has been no warning to keep children out of school. In these conditions, the minimum requirement should be to stay at home."

Why did the IR cut the Internet, shut down phone lines?!?!? Madness.

100% agree

For anyone interested in a deeper discussion of the issues around this invasion and concerns about what comes next, I can't recommend this podcast episode highly enough, with former military leaders and experts on the region. Lots to think about here.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ayatollah-khamenei-killed-in-u-s-israel-strikes/id1367201919?i=1000752256840

No, that's ridiculously reductive black and white thinking.

I think what posters who are against this action are concerned about is what happens next? What happens to the 150,000 military troops that support, or at least have supported the IRGC? What happens to the regime police who were happy to gun down the 30,000 protestors? What happens to all the people who have been put in place by the regime for exactly this situation? Because if you think they're suddenly going to be on the side of 'right' and willing to take what happens to the people who have supported toppled regimes, you're deluded (Iraq, we're looking at you).

What happens to the population when services like phone, internet and electricity are cut? Who/what is the next regime? Some people like the son of the Shah, but some don't, and he has not infrastructure inside Iran to take power.

It's easy to bandy the number of dead protestors around, but considerably less easy to actually remedy the situation, and the US and Israel have seemingly done nothing to account for that.

I keep seeing people on sitting comfortably outside this road saying, “These Iranians out on the streets don’t speak for 90 million people.”

We’re not claiming to speak for every single iranian. No country has 100 percent agreement. But we are the MAJORITY saying we want this regime gone. Yes, there are supporters of this barbaric regime, hell even Hitler had supporters, so that is not saying much.

And to those saying, “We should hear their voices,” do you actually know what some of those voices are chanting? “Death to England.” “Death to the West.” They are openly praying for your destruction always have done and always will do!

Yet you are here using freedoms my people do not have, freedom of speech, freedom to protest, freedom to criticise your government without being imprisoned, to defend the very forces that would strip those freedoms from you in a second.

And let me reiterate for the millionth time, we KNOW Trump does not have the Iranian people’s best interests at heart. We are not stupid. We are not sitting here thinking he is some saviour.

But what is ironic is that many of the same people shouting “Trump doesn’t care about Iranians” are often the ones who seem to believe the Iranian regime somehow cares about Palestinian rights or is some kind of saviour of the middle east and protector of islam. That is genuinely laughable.

This regime does not care about anyone but themselves. It uses Palestine as a political tool.

a regime that blindly kills their own people in cold blood doesn’t give a shit about any other repressed nation.

We also completely understand why people are worried about escalation and the dangers this could bring. as i said We are not blind to the risks. We know how conflict can spiral. We know innocent people can suffer. That is not something we celebrate or wish for.

But at the same time, living indefinitely under this regime is not sustainable either. Wanting change does not mean wanting chaos.

So please understand that our anger comes from lived reality, not recklessness. We carry both fear and hope at the same time

Ok, so what are realistic next steps?

Some people are claiming to speak for every Iranian and as on this thread you can see that some people think that it is a binary choice between supporting the Iranian regime and blindly supporting International law being trampled on by Israel and the US again. All people are saying is that it is more complex than those posters would lead you to believe.

This seems very not good.

https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3mg2szfzans2f

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How am I meant to dictate what the next steps are? No one can do that anymore. It’s a bit late for that.

Everyone keeps going on about how “things should be done the right way.” Do you know what we did? We went out in our thousands, all over the world, peacefully protesting, lobbying our governments, reaching out to our local MPs, asking for support, asking for action against this regime- been loud on social media.. That was ‘the right way’. And it was ignored.

the realistic next steps when we first started protesting worldwide, but they were ignored would have been isolation of the regime, targeted sanctions on officials rather than blanket measures that hurt ordinary people, and cutting off the financial and military networks that allow repression and proxy conflicts to continue. Another realistic step would have internal division. When parts of the security apparatus or political elite decide survival is more important than loyalty, that is when real change becomes possible.

The truth is, change like this is never done peacefully or just by people protesting- look at palestine, people have been protesting and boycotting for newrly 3 years now and nothing has changed. Unfortunately, history shows it rarely works that way.

The only 'good' thing is the Trump obviously thinks it's fine to assassinate leaders of other regimes...

do unto others...

Right, I understand that, but from an outside perspective, it looks like things might have the potential to get considerably worse before they get better. I asked this up above, and I'm curious what you think?

I don't live there and I don't have friends or family there, and while I understand the initial strikes being cause for celebration, I don't think we can be blithely unconcerned about what happens next.

What happens to the 150,000 military troops that support, or at least have supported the IRGC? What happens to the regime police who were happy to gun down the 30,000 protestors? What happens to all the people who have been put in place by the regime for exactly this situation? Because if you think they're suddenly going to be on the side of 'right' and willing to take what happens to the people who have supported toppled regimes, you're deluded (Iraq, we're looking at you).

What happens to the population when services like phone, internet and electricity are cut? Who/what is the next regime? Some people like the son of the Shah, but some don't, and he has no infrastructure inside Iran to take power.

@rainingsnoring
There is no risk of Iranian nuclear weapons and there was no risk of a US attack.

How on earth can you say this? They have been enriching uranium to way above what is needed for energy production and very close to the levels for nuclear weapons.

In March of last year, the US intelligence community assessed that Iran was “not building a nuclear weapon.”

In June, the Trump administration nevertheless launched airstrikes targeting Iran’s nuclear program.

President Donald Trump assured repeatedly that those June airstrikes had “obliterated” its program.

I think that that's how people can say that. Short memories abound.

I understand concerns that things could get worse before they get better, and and as I keep saying we’re fully aware of that. History shows this is how change happens. During the first revolution, there were still supporters of the Shah, and all his structures were still in place for years and still has his supporters as will this regime. Or again Look at Hitler, he had supporters too, and things didn’t just disappear the moment he died. Systemic infrastructure will take years to dismantle.

we know and history has raught us that Killing the head of the snake doesn’t mean the rest of the body disappears, and yes, there are still people in place who could cause harm. That’s why, if people are concerned, support in pressuring governments to act properly is so important rather than leaving it to military action.

There is still a long way to go. No country ever has 100 percent agreement, and while some may look to figures like the son of the Shah... What matters is that he has promised to step aside, be the voice of the people, and help lead the way toward the democratic country Iranians truly want. That is in all we are asking for- and the only reason that people are clinging onto him for hope is that over the years and decades of protests no one has vocally supported any kind of revolution and this is the first time the people have a authority figure against this regime. So while many won’t support him they support what he stands for.

As for services like phone, internet, and electricity, those are already things this regime regularly restricts, so for the people, it wouldn’t really be anything new.

No one knows exactly what will happen next, and it’s impossible to predict the future. All people are asking is for a chance to have their freedom and decide for themselves. Even if it doesn’t turn out perfectly, at least people can say they fought for what they believed in. That is all anyone can really ask for.

So you don't beleive Trump when he states his motives for attacking Iran, but you do believe him when he brags about the success of a previous military operation???

My memory is far from perfect but IIRC most analysts said that last year's strikes put the nuclear program back a few years.