Labour isn't working - Thread 27

[TheNuthatch]

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Starmer is now officially the PM with the worst record on small boat ‘irregular’ immigration. More boat arrivals under Starmer than Johnson. And Johnson’s time was a year-and-a-half longer.

Oops! “Smashing the gangs” hasn’t been a runaway success.

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I’m calling BS on that - he must have taken a kicking, both as a kid, and a student.

Meanwhile, Rayner’s confirmed that she’s a duplicitous POW - Starmer is now ‘long’ HMRC, whether he would choose it, or not. If she get’s the all-clear, watch her perform a double-tap on our poison dwarf PM.

Fortunately on that one how people vote always wins.

Wow. His record speaks for itself. Smash the gangs indeed.

Reading Reeves' tweet in support of Starmer, she was boasting about inflation falling! No recognition of the fact that she/Starmer caused it to almost double in the first place.

Yep.
When they don't stop people voting by cancelling elections that is.

Newsnight reporting Starmer has the "full support" of Labour ministers following their meeting earlier this evening. We shall see.

I'm okay with that. Let them get dizzy covering for each other until after the May elections.

Agree. Let them keep digging.

What seems to have been forgotten in the present chaos (in some cases consciously, especially in the left-wing press and among MN Labour fans) is that government “psychodrama” began with Blair and Brown and carried on between them intensely for a decade. It’s a Labour thing, not Tory. And we’re seeing it all over again now.

@TheNuthatch thanks , i thought I would resurrect it at this timely moment.

Why are you always chatting away on here at (slightly) later hours when I'm either completely knackered or going out?!

Normally if I hop on here at 11 pm I'm chatting to myself! 😂

I am really bored of the psychodrama. I suppose in reality it doesn't make much difference to me if Starmer is or isn't in post. I think the fact that nobody really wants to take over is key though.

Stupid question alert - why does Angela Rayner need a war chest? Isn't taking over more about who she can get on side?

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame indeed...bring back the John majors of the world

@EmeraldRoulette because her side hustle got caught out

What I infer from listening to the arguments on the sofa and Derbyshire's interviews of Labour MPs earlier just after Starmer's address to them, is Labour is trying to sweep the Mandelson affair under the carpet by concentrating on the changes they've made and are going to make.

Mandelson was an error of judgement which Starmer regrets, but let's forget that and concentrate on soggy toast for impoverished children, wrecking Britain once and for all, and suppressing ambition and aspiration for the man on the street. It's deflection, pure and simple.

I must be really tired because I've just realised why candidates need a war chest. I might have to go to bed! 😂

Yes I agree. I've just watched a bit of NN and reached the same conclusion. They're sticking their heads in the sand and deflecting. I liked Aubrey Alegretti's dose of reality when he confirmed that they absolutely are plotting privately, despite their public support for Starmer.

It won't wash with the public though. Starmer won't just be forgiven at the demand of Labour MPs. This is far worse than anything Boris got up to, and there is already so much water under the bridge for Starmer and Reeves with their damaging policies and u turns.

Apparently, the messages released by Wes Streeting say explicitly that they (Labour) have no plan for growth.

Yes he did. Sky have published the messages.

news.sky.com/story/read-wes-streetings-messages-with-mandelson-in-full-13505439

@TheNuthatch thanks
He's literally wondering how to sell the Labour party when they don't have an economic plan.

I suppose he will cover himself by saying that they developed one later on.

Starmer is someone who revels in applause due to surviving appointing Mandelson. He was able to because he forgot all his statements on never blaming staff. He is vainglory and without scruples.

He will blame the media as will his apologists, and blame anyone going, including the many who dislike him in the electorate.

What won’t happen is this going away for him. The US congress hearing will keep Epstein in the headlines and so will the Mandelson release. Let him squirm and the elections roll on.

Just checking in. Time to stop lurking!

Absolutely - I find it really striking that within just 18 months, they've turned the relationship with the electorate into such a combative one.

Friends who grew up under communism have told me previously how it felt: they were always trying to find ways to get around the government. I couldn't identify with the concept at the time, but actually that's exactly how I feel about this Labour government. They're the enemy, and I'm always thinking about what harmful thing they're going to do next, and how I cam avoid it to protect myself and my family.

I think about their changes to taxation (pensions, IHT, mansion tax, whatever other wealth tax they come up with - scanning ahead to what they'll do next). And so I mentally re-adjust my pension planning, my work plans for the next decade, my life plans even after that.

I think about their assault on education and the middle classes (not just private school VAT but allso the populist division they've stirred up against private schools and their proposed 'equality' changes... which encourages blatant discrimination against my DD as she starts her career). I also think about how Labour's economic policy is setting up the next generation to be overall poorer, with no way to build wealth no matter what they do. And so I'm now thinking about University abroad for DD - and whether we should move before then to settle her safely into another country.

I think about how they've removed free speech, enforced with a 3 year prison sentence for a frustrated tweet, and how elections have been cancelled. I also think about the blatant 2-tier justice, with the government favouring people who mean the rest of us harm: the suppression of the grooming gangs scandal enquiry, the blatant 2-tier justice over different groups of protestors, and the fact that a man who has admitted to previously being a terrorist is standing as an MP. And instead of getting involved in politics to try to make things better - as my instinct would previously have been - I hunker down, trying to stay safe, and look around with big eyes, scanning for an indication that now is the time to get the hell out.

It's absolutely extraordinary that Labour have wrought this in just 18 months.

Plenty feel the same I’m sure, hence the feedback in the polls, focus groups and votes. I bet the media share it too.

Times Radio kind of laughing at the every fight line.

Unlike a court situation I don’t think going to battle with the electorate leads to votes.

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