Labour isn't working - Thread 25

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So true and @Januaryescapetoo

They can’t blame a lot of this on a hostile right wing press, nobody is buying it.

Everything is somebody else's fault. It's either: the Tories, the far right or the right wing press. Never ever the consequences of their own actions. It's so childish.

It’s always been said that this current incarnation of the Labour Party resemble a teenagers debating club. I used to think 6th form but sadly for us and them, not even that advanced.

I've always thought of Labour as having sixth form politics. But yes, this lot aren't even that good!

That’s true. And journalists don’t like to look silly after relying on briefings.

There is, and always will be, an expectation that governments and politicians do not mislead journalists, whether print or broadcast and whether in the ‘broadsheet’ or tabloid parts of the market. It’s regarded by the media as an uncrossable line.

That this government is so cavalier and dishonest with the media is a sign of its arrogance and boneheadedness. It’s another effect of years of opposition in which Labour had a free run with Tory division and in Covid a world event no government could control. They very effectively exploited the opportunities, certainly, but they ‘got high on their own supply’.

This is a government with a huge majority but no insight, talent or vision. That’s a very bad combination. It promotes cockiness, a blindness to fault and a groundless contempt for the media. And with those come internal discontent and in-fighting. Which with the left is always especially ugly.

Agree with everyone on this plus contempt is Starmer’s and many others in Labour’s default.

It’s no surprise they get it returned. They can’t blame everyone else for their failings.

Do we see u-turn no. 14 on the cards from Starmer???

Labour MP Kim Johnson (Liverpool) called on Starmer to consider his position this morning on Times Radio.

I don't think so. The damage is already done anyway.
Do you think they'll u turn?

Urgh, Kim Johnson, there's another one on the Women and Equality Committee who doesn't know what a women is. Still, if she's slinging shit at Starmer and keeps the papers on this shit show, she can have a pass for today.

I can’t see they’ll u turn as it’s not just Starmer but 7 other voters. And the damage is done.

Good cartoon in the Telegraph today.

Brilliant

I agree. Backing down from this would be a catastrophe for Starmer. He’d be (even more of) a laughing stock. Not even Starmer is that oblivious.

His judgement really is terrible. Why not let Burnham stand? If he had won and become an MP Starmer could have faced him down in a leadership challenge. If he’d lost, bye bye Andy. And if Burnham had lost Starmer could say - disingenuously - “Look at what Burnham’s ambition has cost us in money and PR. Let that be a lesson”.

It’s true that facing down Burnham would have stirred division, but now Starmer’s done that anyway plus he looks like an unprincipled, mealy-mouthed coward.

Just having a mooch around the board and it seems the Starmerites are out in force wondering aloud why anyone would prefer Burnham...yes, yes...other than the fact that he sounds more human and comes across as a nice guy, is the frustrated response to the canvassed answers.

Obviously I'm not rooting for either of them but there does seem to be a real misunderstanding about the value of likeability as a conduit to building trust.

If there were any doubt, then the almost audible sigh of relief from opposition parties should be a clue.

Sorry, I was being facetious, although with Starmer, anything is possible….

Watching his political end is going to be pure schadenfreude, though. The damage is done, and they may as well hand Reform the seat with a ribbon and bow.

Sir Keir Starmer has defended blocking Andy Burnham from running for a Westminster seat.

The Prime Minister said Mr Burnham was doing a “great job” as the Greater Manchester mayor, but that allowing him to stand as an MP would “divert our resources” from Labour campaigns ahead of May’s local elections.
Sunday’s decision to block Mr Burnham from standing in the Gorton and Denton by-election has triggered a civil war in the party and raised more questions about Sir Keir’s leadership.

Labour’s ruling National Executive Committee voted by eight to one to stop Mr Burnham from running to become an MP in the Manchester constituency, prompting rebels to accuse Sir Keir of overseeing “a remote stitch-up from a small group of people at the very top in London”.

Speaking on Monday morning, the Prime Minister said: “We have really important elections already across England for local councils, very important elections in Wales for the Government there, and very important elections in Scotland for the Scottish Government that will affect millions of people.
“We’re out campaigning on the cost of living, and they’re very important elections. We need all of our focus on those elections.

“Andy Burnham’s doing a great job as the mayor of Manchester, but having an election for the mayor of Manchester when it’s not necessary would divert our resources away from the elections that we must have, that we must fight and win.

“And resources, whether that’s money or people, need to be focused on the elections that we must have, not elections that we don’t have to have. And that was the basis of the NEC decision.”

Yes it’s a real blindness re Starmer. Burnham’s policies probably wouldn’t be close but at least he has different qualities to Starmer.

‘Speaking on Monday morning, the Prime Minister said: “We have really important elections already across England for local councils, very important elections in Wales for the Government there, and very important elections in Scotland for the Scottish Government that will affect millions of people.

“We’re out campaigning on the cost of living, and they’re very important elections. We need all of our focus on those elections’

😂😂😂🙈🙈 Donald?

Wtf that made me laugh. He’s short circuiting.

What a shame millions are being denied in his voice now those very important elections.

I would not put it past the Labour Party, to cancel the By-Election because Andrew Gywnne 'Health has improved greatly' over the weekend !

Can you cancel a proposed By- Election, i suppose you can however if they do this can you imagine what a Party of Clowns they look like.
In hindsight I am surprised the 'politburo' of the NEC allowed Andrew Gywnne to announce he was standing down, thus creating the By-Election. This, because it is obvious that the creation of the By-Election is down to 'Manchester' Labour and not the National Labour Party !

If the most disgruntled Labour MPs want to stick the boot in they could resign one by one, forcing the NEC charade again and again and undermining the cost saving excuse. Over to you, Clive Lewis and Andy McDonald...

I honestly think he’s lost it.

Call me cynical, but I suspect there was little wrong with Gwynne’s health.

Playing the old ‘long Covid’ card.