Labour isn't working - Thread 25

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Is the Chagos a U-turn in it's proper sense or has it been put under the stairs with the left over crackers, never to be seen again?

Leadbeater's so atrociously written assisted dying bill will die on its arse in the Lords but as a Private Members Bill, it won't count.

There's some dreadful stuff in the workers rights bill, hopefully someone will put some red pen in that bollocks.

I think the next full u turn will be walking back on reducing jury trials.

I think that you should be allowed to abstain when the vote actually involves you. Which this does.

On that basis, even if you wanted to be democratic and say yes, let him run, it would actually be a choice that got ridiculed - so it's either abstain or block. I suppose Starmer thinks he looks stronger by casting his vote.

I'm beginning to see why people want popcorn...😂

Is Lammy in charge whilst Starmer is in Beijing?

Presumably there are a lot of prisoners just waiting to do an Andy Dufresne whilst Lammy is distracted….

Policy of abolition of jury trials for < 3 year sentences will fail by May. Massive u-turn incoming.

Jury trials and Chagos could go next which is great.

I liked Burnham’s ps in his statement

PS - The fact that the media was informed of the NEC decision before I was tells you everything you need to know about the way the Labour Party is being run these days.

You would think that over 30 years of service would count for something but sadly not.

Oooh @EasternStandard that bit: 'You would think that over 30 years of service would count for something but sadly not' is absolutely passive aggressive brutal.

That's the marriage breaker, isn't it? He's getting his ducks in a row.

Sorry @Upstartled i was thinking about the U-turn potential on today’s decision. 😀

Oh 😁 sorry, complete misunderstanding there! I suspect they'll stick with this decision. But, who knows, you never know what this lot will do next.

Wow. Good on him for speaking out.

We had a family event today, so spent the day with extended family. All Labour 'til I die type folk, most are fed up of Starmer and thinking of voting Reform.
Starmer's behaviour has gone down like a cup of cold sick! I heard a lot of 'not a fan of Burnham, but...'
They are definitely all on Burnham's side and view Starmer with contempt.
Burnham is seen as one of our own iyswim, whereas Starmer just isn't.

The Labour candidate in that by election will have a very steep hill to climb. Perhaps Zack Polanski will stand for the Greens. That would shake things up.

This stood out to me from the NEC's statement -

Although the party would be confident of retaining the mayoralty, the NEC could not put Labour's control of Greater Manchester at any risk"

At risk of what? Democracy?

"Labour's control of Greater Manchester" struck me too. Quite ominous.

Quite. Those bloody constituents, with their votes and disagreeable opinions.

Not that confident then since they think there’s a risk.

Ikr.
Democracy is now a dirty word it seems. Starmer should get on well with Xi next week.

Everything Labour ever says about domestic politics just further confirms the truth of Labour being a gerrymandering and shabby machine, an obnoxious political cult.

Why on earth would an election in Manchester compromise anything, except for Labour’s control of it? It’s like a sermon from a hardline evangelical: believe me, worship as I do, and give me your money, or suffer.

Yep, spot on.
Makes me shudder.

So, Starmer would rather sacrifice a safe Labour seat as opposed to allowing a potential challenge from Burnham.

This will prove the decisive moment that ended his premiership - Labour will lose the seat, and several challengers will emerge.

Yet again, Starmer makes the wrong decision.

I expect they are arrogant enough to take for granted the support of a constituency they have held for eons.

With Burnham they more than likely would have held it which would have been a bit of a pr win for the party prior to the local elections.

But Starmer has chosen to cover his own arse, first and foremost, and if the constituency falls into the hands of another party then it will be further evidence that the party is crumbling and people will remember that at the next ballot.

😂
Burnham? 😂😂

If Starmer felt strong enough he would have welcomed Burnham and given him a top job. But he’s both craven and weak which is a major issue for him so he had to block.

Odds just shifted dramatically on that seat and are shortening. So they may not keep it. People will be pissed at the few blocking someone they would have voted for to save a politician’s arse.

Even his own party has more pissed off people. He’s looking weaker now due to this.

Never watch terrestrial TV but am in a hotel today so watching news duty the first time in ages and and interesting that the MSM (ITV) pundits are openly contemptuous of Starmer.

Think the budget leak-and-blame was the last straw for a lot of journos. They were dubious before but the tone permanently shifted when the top team blamed uncertainty on groundless journalistic speculation.

There’s so few Starmer and Labour haven’t pissed off it’s just the stalwarts on here still defending.

He’s even managed to lose support in his own party.

We said that at the time didn't we. Accusing every political editor of lying when they had clearly been briefed directly by No.11 was not a good move.

The front pages are brutal this morning. I wonder when the cabinet will reach that point where they are no longer willing to defend KS? We can't be far away from that now.

Journos don't lik being manipulated in this way. Bad for newspaper sales