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Labour isn't working - Thread 25

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TheNuthatch · 13/01/2026 20:25

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙 🩵

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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EmeraldRoulette · 17/01/2026 18:14

Things are moving way too fast

I feel as if a year's worth of politics has been packed into 2026 already.

This morning it occurred to me that Starmer might want to get in with China because of the complete shift in geopolitics. Is Canada now trying to get in with China?

And now Trump is possibly furthering his move towards Greenland, which means we are likely to split from the US - something I find beyond depressing - and this may be linked to Starmer's position with China.

just a thought. I have tried not to do politics today 😂

TheNuthatch · 17/01/2026 18:34

@EmeraldRoulette You're right, it is moving fast. So much for the Labour reset. Not going very well is it.
I've been out on the Iran march again today so I've only just seen the news about Greenland. I have zero faith in Starmer here. He will just cling to other European leaders like a comfort blanket because he doesn't know what to do. We are currently rudderless and have a spineless fence-sitter for a PM.

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TheNuthatch · 17/01/2026 18:53

strawberrybubblegum · 17/01/2026 11:18

Beautiful article about Iran, to give the politics pause.

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/275bb9a0004e8769

Thanks for this. It is beautiful to read. ❤️
Iran sounds like an amazing country.

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EmeraldRoulette · 17/01/2026 18:55

@TheNuthatch oh wow, good for you - do you mean London? Did you meet anyone who was there last night?

to be honest, I didn't factor the Labour reset into anything. I basically don't pay any attention to what they say - although it depends how alarming it is.

I was really thinking in International terms - and most of the time I see international politics as having nothing to do with me. Not feeling like that this year.

Although maybe I should try to? Might be better for me.

I had a good chat about things with my ex last night - one a few people with whom I can have a reasonable polite balanced conversation about politics.

Felt better after that. I spent 10 minutes on social media around 4 pm today, because I was bored of doing domestics (they really need doing though) and I was irritated within five minutes 😂 so I will stay away from that for the rest of the evening.

TheNuthatch · 17/01/2026 19:12

@EmeraldRoulette I went to the march in Manchester.

I basically don't pay any attention to what they say
Good strategy.

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TheNuthatch · 17/01/2026 21:15

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TheNuthatch · 17/01/2026 21:17

Don't know why that got chopped. If you click on it, you'll see the full message. Its not an x link, just a screenshot.

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SpaceRaccoon · 17/01/2026 22:39

Not that I support the Greenlanders (sp?) getting absorbed into the US against their will, but they've not managed to get free of the Danish yet.

boys3 · 18/01/2026 11:48

Do we think Heidi Alexander might have thought it sensible to brush up on her history before, as it is reported, urging Cabinet colleagues to form a Praetorian Guard around the PM?

or was it just a moment of unintended honesty. Letting the mask slip (further)?

boys3 · 18/01/2026 11:55

To add, this from the report in The Times, from that Cabinet meeting

The message was that it’s time to get behind the PM”

As we all know if you want to stab someone in the back you need to get behind them first. 😀

Alternativelyviewed · 18/01/2026 11:56

Re Greenland I'm concerned that there is worrying Intel on what's coming down the line for us.

As far as I see it the USA is shoring up.
Putin is rogue and apparently trump talks to president Xi weekly.

Greenland has been on USA presidents agenda since 1946 it's a key strategic slite and I think somerhng has happened or intel has led to this almost panicked renewed push for it.

TheNuthatch · 18/01/2026 12:35

boys3 · 18/01/2026 11:55

To add, this from the report in The Times, from that Cabinet meeting

The message was that it’s time to get behind the PM”

As we all know if you want to stab someone in the back you need to get behind them first. 😀

😂😂
Wes Streeting is certainly behind Starmer - sharpening his dagger.

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EasternStandard · 18/01/2026 12:40

boys3 · 18/01/2026 11:55

To add, this from the report in The Times, from that Cabinet meeting

The message was that it’s time to get behind the PM”

As we all know if you want to stab someone in the back you need to get behind them first. 😀

Haha yep

notimagain · 18/01/2026 14:13

Alternativelyviewed · 18/01/2026 11:56

Re Greenland I'm concerned that there is worrying Intel on what's coming down the line for us.

As far as I see it the USA is shoring up.
Putin is rogue and apparently trump talks to president Xi weekly.

Greenland has been on USA presidents agenda since 1946 it's a key strategic slite and I think somerhng has happened or intel has led to this almost panicked renewed push for it.

I don't think there's any hidden intel driving POTUS.

All the credible indicators/specialist analysis seem to be coherent in the view that neither China or Russia have been paying extra special attention to Greenland

Even if they had as I understand it there's an existing treaty that would allow the US to increase troop numbers in country...no need to invade to bolster defences
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What's going on is an attempt at a blatent land grab, with the added benefit from POTUS's POV that it rattles Europe/European politicians.....(something Putin will applaud).

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 18/01/2026 14:19

notimagain · 18/01/2026 14:13

I don't think there's any hidden intel driving POTUS.

All the credible indicators/specialist analysis seem to be coherent in the view that neither China or Russia have been paying extra special attention to Greenland

Even if they had as I understand it there's an existing treaty that would allow the US to increase troop numbers in country...no need to invade to bolster defences
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What's going on is an attempt at a blatent land grab, with the added benefit from POTUS's POV that it rattles Europe/European politicians.....(something Putin will applaud).

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I don’t see why the US doesn’t just buy Greenland. According to a chart I saw the other day, per sq km it would be a lot cheaper at $700bn than at least one other US land purchase.

I doubt the Greenlanders would prefer to be administered by Denmark than by the US.

DrPrunesqualer · 18/01/2026 14:22

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 18/01/2026 14:19

I don’t see why the US doesn’t just buy Greenland. According to a chart I saw the other day, per sq km it would be a lot cheaper at $700bn than at least one other US land purchase.

I doubt the Greenlanders would prefer to be administered by Denmark than by the US.

Didn’t Trump say something about buying it at one point
Greenland quite rightly said it’s not for sale

EasternStandard · 18/01/2026 14:22

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 18/01/2026 14:19

I don’t see why the US doesn’t just buy Greenland. According to a chart I saw the other day, per sq km it would be a lot cheaper at $700bn than at least one other US land purchase.

I doubt the Greenlanders would prefer to be administered by Denmark than by the US.

I thought they did want to buy it? It’s just been refused

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 18/01/2026 14:31

It’s been refused now. Probably just a matter of price. Denmark’s never going to be able to pump vast sums into Greenland. The US could.

I suspect that a romanticised and rather patronising view of Greenlanders might be at work in the West.

But if they never want to sell, and are aiming for self-standing independence, I agree that the US shouldn’t use any force.

TheNuthatch · 18/01/2026 14:35

A recent poll of Greenlanders showed that only 6% of them wanted to become part of the USA.
A majority support becoming an independent nation, but they would need financial support.

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CruCru · 18/01/2026 14:47

TheNuthatch · 18/01/2026 14:35

A recent poll of Greenlanders showed that only 6% of them wanted to become part of the USA.
A majority support becoming an independent nation, but they would need financial support.

I wonder a bit whether they have enough people to be an independent nation (about 50,000 or so I think). I think there are some countries in the pacific with fewer people but they aren’t under ice (and I don’t think they are rich).

TheNuthatch · 18/01/2026 14:53

CruCru · 18/01/2026 14:47

I wonder a bit whether they have enough people to be an independent nation (about 50,000 or so I think). I think there are some countries in the pacific with fewer people but they aren’t under ice (and I don’t think they are rich).

Its not surprising that they would rather be an independent nation.
I don't think its viable financially though.
Maybe Trump doesn't trust Denmark/Europe to keep Greenland out of the hands of Russia/China?

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notimagain · 18/01/2026 15:03

Maybe Trump doesn't trust Denmark/Europe to keep Greenland out of the hands of Russia/China?

And then what next? The Azores? Falklands, Channel Islands?

TheNuthatch · 18/01/2026 15:09

notimagain · 18/01/2026 15:03

Maybe Trump doesn't trust Denmark/Europe to keep Greenland out of the hands of Russia/China?

And then what next? The Azores? Falklands, Channel Islands?

I don't know. It was a question, not a statement.

If Trump sees Europe as too weak to protect Greenland from Russia and China, it might explain his behaviour. As a pp pointed out, Greenland has been on the USA's radar for a long time, but clearly this POTUS doesn't have a high opinion of Europe.

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strawberrybubblegum · 18/01/2026 16:50

I think Trump just has a fairly transactional world view, including to international relations.

He recognises the strategic importance of Greenland, but if American taxpayers are going to pay for the defence, then he expects to get access to the resources- to make it worth their while.

It's actually pretty similar to how the European powers related to their colonies: they invested money and expertise, but certainly expected to make enough money out of it to make it worthwhile.

Weirdly, in the UK we've moved to a worldview where we expect to still invest and finance other countries... but without getting anything material back from them. A patron 'big brother' type relationship. And in our turn, we expect the US to finance our defence, be our patron.

It's a remnant from post-war thinking, which has lasted longer than anyone could expect but isn't really sustainable. Countries - their politics, their development level, their trade, their strengths - have changed so much in the last 80 years. Geopolitics is bound to change too. We would be wise make political decisions based on reality rather than based on a fantasy from the past.

That doesn't mean rolling over for the US. We're not powerless, as a bloc. But it may mean acting in a more transactional way ourselves. In particular, not getting into debt and giving away our childrens' futures for the benefit of other countries: with nothing expected in return.

EasternStandard · 18/01/2026 17:23

It’s hard to know what’s going to happen with the Greenland thing. I’m not engaging with it very much atm but I can’t see how it play out.

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