Does anyone still support this Labour government?

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I know NO ONE in real life who still sticks up for them (apart from my mother, and she would support Labour even if KS owned up to creating Covid). Apart from that, all quiet on the western front.

I haven’t seen any support on here, or SM for weeks now.

Is it my algorithm bubble, or are people genuinely disappointed with them? I don’t think it can be the algorithms though, as until a few weeks ago there were still words of support popping up.

For full disclosure I think this government is a total shitshow intent on dismantling British culture, and taxing the private sector to death in order to pay for the public sector. With no long term plan once the private sector is squeezed totally dry. I am BEYOND disappointed with them.

Anyone using the word ‘liebour’ isn’t worth listening to. It’s stupid.

I am an NHS band 6 (edited as maybe outing). I spend all other hours on the family business which we built from scratch with no help, financial or otherwise.
We all have the choice to work more than one job.

Not that it’s really worth working hard under Labour. For every bead of sweat we put in they’re ready with their grasping hands out. Why should we have money —that we make— eh??

But remember everyone….nobody is sneering here or calling anyone stupid 👍🤣

Normal working people don't though. As a teacher I absolutely couldn’t have. I’m surprised a midwife could.

Only idiots who think silly ‘jokes’ about parties’ names (or politicians) are funny. That’s objectively stupid.

And childish.

As an addition - I said using silly names was stupid. Not that the person was.

Couldn’t what? I don’t understand.

Do you mean, couldn’t work two jobs? You could though. I don’t recommend it as it’s incredibly hard and requires many sacrifices. But we’ve done it and we’re proud of what we’ve done, without support. I work 24 hours now instead of 36, but even 36 hours is 3 days. One day off leaves 3 days to work.

The country needs hungry entrepreneurs, it needs the business owners and the wealth makers. That’s where the money comes from. But with Labour punishing them they will just give up.

We’re still not rich but with sacrifices we can put one child through private school because she needs it. I won’t apologise for that.

No. Couldn’t have worked two jobs. Teaching is too many hours and I was a single parent. You work 24 instead of 36 hours a day? What? 36hours is 3 days? When? Makes no sense. Most people can’t afford private ed no matter what they do. That’s a fact.

No. Couldn’t have worked two jobs. Teaching is too many hours and I was a single parent.

You could have, because you didn’t work 7 days a week. I had no childcare and I used to go to bed 8pm, then get up at 3 to get 3-4 hours in before the kids woke up.
You chose not to and I really, really don’t blame you, it was shit. But it’s wrong to say that you couldn’t.

You work 24 instead of 36 hours a day? What? 36hours is 3 days? When? Makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense.
24 hours a week is 2 days of 12 hour shifts.
Now work 36 out.

Most people can’t afford private ed no matter what they do.

So? What’s your point? Where does that statement lead?

If your viewpoint is simply that ‘if EVERYONE can’t have it then NO-ONE should have it’ then your views are straying too close to communism for me to bother discussing further.

The economy in the west and I mean Europe and Canada Australia and some extent US is done.

It's too expensive. We have no manufacturing anymore. We can't sustain the population with a salary that offers the same value as post war ll generation had.

We have sold our souls in the name of cheap crap (I'm as guilty as the next westerner) tho I won't buy from temu or shein etc

India and China are the next big economies and we can never catch up.

Sorry to say it but it's happening in real time now. And that's without self learningAI in the mix.

You were in a fortunate position within the NHS if you were able to do 3-4 hours before your children woke at 7am

That was on the 3 days off.
On shift days I did/do only my NHS job and think of nothing else. And leave the house much earlier than 7.
I no longer do the 3am starts but I did for 4 years. We can now employ someone which allows me to work more normal hours.

My point is that business owners do put in crazy hours to try and succeed. I should be able to send my child to the school of my choice if I’ve earned the money, without RR trying to grab more money from me for it. Money that I’ve already been taxed on once for earning in the first place.

Now we are at the crux of it all. If I can’t have it no-one can. Let’s ignore the fact it actually makes the chances of levelling up even harder. It is pure spite.

I know and I agree with you. Also EHCPs I know but you need to be in catchment for other siblings. I chose one of the best schools in the country so didn’t have to consider moving my DC like a previous poster also did not. That actually means I’m speaking from a place of absolute privilege.

Yes that’s exactly what it is.

DH and I have had to work. But even if we were lottery winners, that’s just life isn’t it. Some people have more, that’s society. They then pay more. It’s not a good look to be bitter about it.

I've never met a band 6 worker in the NHS who only works 36 hours a week, even band 2 full time workers seem to do unpaid hours as no-one will walk out on a patient.

I've certainly never met one with the energy for a second business, particularly when having dc with disabilities. Despite now working part time, you can send your dc through private education, that makes you extremely privileged.

There is a saying- to those with privilege, equality feels like oppression/deprivation. That is where you sit. It's no surprise you don't like labour policies.

Lots of people work hard, have 2 or 3 jobs, yet earn minimum wage and struggle. Having money doesn't mean you work harder than others, it just means you have been luckier in your circumstances.

I am bowing out of the “discussion”

As a public sector worker who regularly worked a 60 hour week, paid for all childcare as no family to help and lived through austerity I am more than happy with giving labour a chance at righting the wrongs of the last 14 years.
Many on this thread agree, many disagree.
The OP’s question and subsequent erroneous statements have been discussed.

In answer to the OP yes there are those who still support the Labour government

Oooh tricky, I’m am a state school teacher in a school with extremely high deprivation. My own children who have been through the SEND system are in state and always have been. I grew up in poverty. That’s why I think the opportunity to level up is so important. Politics of spite and envy are harming opportunities for that to happen. So erm…yeah. Making private schools only for the super rich is pretty oppressive to me.

So to level up someone has to go to private school?

The idea is that people don’t need to ‘level up’
If there were no private schools all kids would be in state schools, so no need to ‘level up’

Private schools decrease social mobility not improve it. I assume this is what you meant by levelling up?

How is making private schools only for the really rich helping with social mobility? I’ll wait for a plausible answer. Private schools still exist, they’ve not gone anywhere. They won’t go anywhere either. They are just more elitist than ever. Now parents who have a bit of money from a working class background or for SEND reasons, no hope. Outreach and bursaries to deprived schools stopped.

So again, how has the policy of making private schools the field of the super rich only, helped with social mobility and levelling up? I am interested to know as I’ve only seen it cause active harm. That’s the only response I’m interested in. Not some fantasy of there being no private schools. There are and always will be. I want to know how that policy has specifically helped all children level up and get the education they deserve. I’ll be waiting a long time…

You don't need private education to help social mobility, you do need better education for all and if the tax on private education means those at the bottom have a little more, then I think it's a great idea.

Yeah it’s not quite worked out though has it? See education real term cuts. Especially to SEND provision and diagnosis. Cuts to bursaries for teacher recruitment. Did I say cuts? More money for Ofsted reform though. That will help. Can’t wait to start seeing that money coming through for the 60% ish of pp children in my school. I’ll be waiting a while because it’s not coming…