Does anyone still support this Labour government?

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I know NO ONE in real life who still sticks up for them (apart from my mother, and she would support Labour even if KS owned up to creating Covid). Apart from that, all quiet on the western front.

I haven’t seen any support on here, or SM for weeks now.

Is it my algorithm bubble, or are people genuinely disappointed with them? I don’t think it can be the algorithms though, as until a few weeks ago there were still words of support popping up.

For full disclosure I think this government is a total shitshow intent on dismantling British culture, and taxing the private sector to death in order to pay for the public sector. With no long term plan once the private sector is squeezed totally dry. I am BEYOND disappointed with them.

I think it’s a given to be honest. It’s a shame as it could’ve been so different. They had a great opportunity after the last government and have blown it at every turn IMO.

i think the wage issue actually stems from Blair - working tax credits. I received a small amount of them at the time as a single parent and was grateful but in hindsight they normalised businesses not paying enough for someone to live on, so the tax payer ends up subsidising private sector wages. That needs to be fixed. I know it probably means inflation…but we can’t go on underwriting private profit by topping up wages.
In terms of ‘more central’ - I’d say Blair’s government was further left than this one.
SEND is a huge mess and has been for years, I agree on that.

Oh undoubtedly, the rot started with tax credits. No doubt.

The difference between affording private ed and not isn’t ‘foregoing holidays overseas and new cars’ for most though. The vast majority can’t afford it plus rent, never mind everything else. Pushing private as the answer to SEND is shameful. So privileged a viewpoint.

Spite😂 yeah.

What a narrow minded comment. Let me find a party with a policy l can use to be spiteful.

I don’t support it out of spite. That’s so laughable and well, ignorant l suppose.

My dd had an EHCp. I’d still never send her to a private school. Most private schools don’t really want SEND kids.

Yeah it was a policy of spite which has made private education more elitist than ever. That’s just a fact, personal insults won’t change that I am afraid.

It’s not spite. Why this personalising of it and faux victimhood? Nobody, not government or the electorate, are being spiteful, or hateful, or attacking you. They just think something that is only taken up by 7% of school children (yes, I know it’s higher at sixth form but because that’s an average it means it’s even lower at younger ages) and is completely a choice, and not open to the vast majority anyway, doesn’t need further breaks. I’ve worked in private schools. I don’t feel any spite, but they are massively privileged and give their students advantages above what their work ethic and intelligence warrant.

Who is attacking me? I work in state, my children go to state. It’s a spiteful and harmful policy which I’ve seen first hand the impacts of through my job. I think it’s a disgraceful policy and you won’t change my mind on that.

As I’ve said above, I’ve worked in minor public schools - the ones that, if any did, would accept people from lower incomes. Bursaries are rarely full and usually only small. You have to be pretty privileged to afford it, which is why so few do. The number of children from deprived backgrounds getting in is negligible these days.

And it’s not insulting to say it’s spiteful?😂

Ok, attacking private schools. Pretty sure that was clear.

It is a spiteful policy you called me ignorant? See the difference? Maybe an emoji may help 🥱

I don’t think the taxing education policy will last beyond the next GE if they’re out and people won’t care that much if it goes.

The point was to get more teachers in state and improve that sector. If people don’t feel the improvements there they’ll understand the policy was flimsy and damaging in terms of closing schools.

Not really you said nobody is attacking you. I have never worked in a private school, don’t intend on doing so. My children are in state and always have been. I think it is a spiteful and shortsighted policy for reasons I have already given. You don’t have to agree with me and I won’t change my mind - for reasons already given.

That crying laughing emoji. Labour surely only need the crying part now.

They actually CUT bursaries for secondary teachers. Great job.

The real problem in state schools is retention. I mean, recruitment is poor, but retention is pathetic. And that’s because the system doesn’t work for anyone. It needs a massive overhaul to allow teachers to focus on what matters and to reduce workloads to a manageable level. The rest is tinkering, including private school VAT.
It wasn’t an important policy to me, but equally I don’t think it’s a bad one. My only concern is how it might be detrimental to rejoining the EU at some point.

My dd had an EHCp. I’d still never send her to a private school.

This is easy to say when it is hypothetical and you aren’t actually faced with the situation where an independent school is the only suitable school.

For some, the choice is independent school or EHE. (There is EOTAS/EOTIS/C but that isn’t an option unless it is legally inappropriate for provision to be made in a school.) Some DC with EHCPs need expensive therapeutic provision which the vast majority of families cannot afford to fund themselves and therefore cannot afford to EHE. It is brilliant you could afford this in addition to having the capacity to either not need the break school provides parents of disabled DC attending school or buy in support. Many can’t.

The school tax was pure spite. I heard Reeves talking about it on Radio 4 and she was nothing short of gleeful. This was in the beginning when I still wanted to like them, and I was really shocked at her attitude.

The gist of it was that she came from a background where kids couldn’t afford food, so why should some kids get private education just because they’re rich. She’s spiteful and she has a massive chip on her shoulder.

Which is why I will never agree with it. All it has done is made private schooling MORE elitist. The rich don’t care, they aren’t about to pull their children out who are now in even smaller classes. The people who have and will are those who lost hope with the state system, did ok for themselves and had some spare to afford private schooling and now can’t. Gotta keep those working class kids where they belong eh? The bursaries and outreach programmes in areas of deprivation - gone. Can’t have those pesky poor children getting ahead of themselves now. In reality it’s because they are losing numbers and closing so can’t justify it anymore. Unintended consequences.

We are an outlier on this for good reason. Some people, I genuinely think thought this would mean private schooling would disappear. It hasn’t, quite the opposite. It’s levelled everyone down and pushed the elite up. Absolute madness.

My child has an EHCP, we bought in one of the catchments of the best states possible. That’s all that will happen now too. Unintended consequences. I can absolutely see why parents with EHCPs out of absolute desperation had to go private. A poster comes from a place of absolute privilege, not understanding why people have to and that’s ironic. It’s also not just therapies, the level of violence I have witnessed at primary level is disturbing. I absolutely would not want a vulnerable child anywhere near many state schools.

I have three children and one is in a private school. She could not cope in state secondary and needed to be kept back a year, which state would not accommodate. She is absolutely thriving in a smaller setting but the extra 20% is crippling. We are normal working people with no family money or inheritance just trying to do the best for our child.

I find Rachel Reeves glee over this disgusting.

My point about therapies and other therapeutic provision wasn’t because that is the only reason for independent schools. It isn’t. There are many reasons. My point was because if parents EHE (which would be the only other option for some people who say wouldn’t send their DC to an independent school even if it was the only suitable school), the LA doesn’t have the same duty to provide the provision in F of an EHCP.

Those with EHCPs don't need to live within a school's catchment area in order for the school to be named in an EHCP.

The Cons were a disappointment, the Liebour mob are a disappointment and Reform ? Will be a disappointment. Think our best bet is a military coup to flush all the old nonsense away ?!

Normal working people? As a teacher at a fairly senior level I wouldn’t have been able to afford it. What normal jobs are you thinking of?

Edit: somehow quoted wrong post