Does anyone still support this Labour government?

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I know NO ONE in real life who still sticks up for them (apart from my mother, and she would support Labour even if KS owned up to creating Covid). Apart from that, all quiet on the western front.

I haven’t seen any support on here, or SM for weeks now.

Is it my algorithm bubble, or are people genuinely disappointed with them? I don’t think it can be the algorithms though, as until a few weeks ago there were still words of support popping up.

For full disclosure I think this government is a total shitshow intent on dismantling British culture, and taxing the private sector to death in order to pay for the public sector. With no long term plan once the private sector is squeezed totally dry. I am BEYOND disappointed with them.

Also love anti tout measures…
Banning resale of gig tickets at above face value.
Banning booking of driving tests by instructors - only by individuals.

The work has changed a lot in the Tory years but they couldn’t be bothered to legislate to stop these obvious and easily preventable scams.

Reform judging by the polls, are now centralist.... together with the Tories, these right wing parties have around 45% of the 'vote.

Oh and Populist is not having popular policies, its about division, pitting one side against the other...divide and rule if you like.

Er….which things in your list have actually improved? They’ve failed in immigration, doctors appointments, waiting list coming down etc. What about their failure to implement welfare cuts? What have they succeeded in? What about their U-turns? How can you have confidence in them?

'Populist' is a slur on the ordinary working person who only wants a fair day's pay for a fair day's work.

I am a floating voter because I have no political affiliation and have voted across the spectrum inc Lib Dem and Greens. Labour have been a shit show on women’s rights and so I wouldn’t vote for them at last election. The conservatives were absolutely hopeless and had completely run out of ideas and were doing a terrible job. In the last 2 GEs I voted for local independent candidates as I thought both conservatives and Labour were terrible.

how is that not “floating”?

Oh thank you OP for giving me such a laugh today. You think the Rwanda plan would have seen boats stopped overnight.

That is hilarious. It was a joke, right?

Yes, people get to vote. That makes no difference to the definition of the term Centrist in relation to the political spectrum though. It won't change. It's not some sort of average shifting along with the tide of political opinion.

I would think 'job creation' is a spectrum-wide ideal, wouldn't you? The best way to achieve that is where ideologies differ.

If a poster thinks that, for example, further employment rights are destructive or that Labour’s tax policy is misguided or that benefit spending is out of control, they are not centrist in Labour terms. In fact these awful people are quite possibly extremists or even fascists.

Unless of course it’s Labour that wants to row back from proposed employment rights or increase tax allowances for farmers or curtail benefits spending, in which case it’s important “to get it right” (©️ Starmer). Then when the Labour frontbench caves, it’s equally important “to get it right”. Again, but in the opposite direction.

I wouldn’t worry about Labour supporters’ labels of others or their suspicions of posters’ voting intentions. Ardent Labourites all live in a childish world of goodies and baddies. They of course are the valiant goodies and everyone else is wicked.

That isn't what Centralist means.

Ok so is job creation populist or not?

It sounds a bit vague and broad, so much so it loses meaning.

Brexit destroyed Britain - we basically lost the vast majority of vaguely decent politicians after that - I mean they knew it would turn out disastrously in the mid to long term and thought that they might as throw the towel in and do something else rather than deal with the 💩 show aftermath. There is NO ONE capable of getting us out of this because you’d have to be a nutter to put yourself out there and try. The lunacy that people think Nige can save them when he’s the cause of the chaos🙈. Aghhhh😣

You’re deluded at least Labour are sorting the problem and processing those in hotels far more that the waste of space tories

think Labour could have been boulder and just raised income tax.

Really? They’re just using barracks which sounds bad anyway. Numbers are still high after various pledges.

Do you check you facts before you post?
Immigration and net immigration are down by 31% and 69% - year to June 25 source ONS
GP apps are up by 7m - year to july 25 source NHS England.
Yes they failed to implement the welfare cuts they wanted - specifically pip. But under the Tories the number of pip claimants almost doubled so they created the mess Labour are trying to rectify.

This. This. This. 100%

Well the post you responded to was asking whether anyone has a better reason to support Labour than 'They are better than the Tories'. And your answer to that was the question 'what's wrong with that?' ...my answer to your question is that we deserve better.

If you think we deserve better then why did you respond saying you can't see what the problem is with it??

And I clearly didn't say or imply that the system had changed, why did you ask such a disingenuous question?
..Besides, it's not necessary for a change in system to have political parties you actively WANT to vote for.
I remember my granddad being a big Labour supporter, he really believed in the policies and the party, it had nothing to do with 'at least they're not Tories'. So what's your point?

Eh. I didn’t say they should enter French waters. I’m sure some of the English Channel is ours. And yes, the Navy could do it. It’s not like we are at war currently so they could be put to use. Just turn the boats back and make it impossible for them to get through and they will give up. I watched an interview with Ann Widdecome who said Belgium (I think) successfully used the same tactic.

Absolutely right. Nigel Farage also always answers questions that are posed to him unlike other politicians. He is straight talking, and I think, a brave politician.

Obviously going by the the last 100 polls - a lot of people disagree with you!

No, they couldn't do it. Not without breaching multiple laws.

Please, read the link.

Obviously going by the the last 100 polls - a lot of people disagree with you!

I could not agree with you more.
Farage (and the pathetic self serving Cameron trying to give a sop to the anti-Euro extremists and keep himself as Tory leader) have ushered in this scary age where some people seem to be actively wanting authoritarianism. Without realising that people who are struggling now will be far far less well off under any corrupt strongman system like that…

I've already given you the answer. Job creation is a broad ideal that applies across the spectrum. It's how you create, pay for, and distribute those jobs that differs. For example, half a million extra jobs, but only available to first generation immigrants, or half a million extra jobs but only available to white working-class English people. Both policies would satisfy the ideal of job creation but only one would be populist.

Ok so you said @HermioneWeasleywas a list of populist policies. What did she say in the job creation point that led to that conclusion?

If they get more left wing well be in Corbyn country!