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Does anyone still support this Labour government?

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PutTheCakeDOWN · 28/12/2025 12:24

I know NO ONE in real life who still sticks up for them (apart from my mother, and she would support Labour even if KS owned up to creating Covid). Apart from that, all quiet on the western front.

I haven’t seen any support on here, or SM for weeks now.

Is it my algorithm bubble, or are people genuinely disappointed with them? I don’t think it can be the algorithms though, as until a few weeks ago there were still words of support popping up.

For full disclosure I think this government is a total shitshow intent on dismantling British culture, and taxing the private sector to death in order to pay for the public sector. With no long term plan once the private sector is squeezed totally dry. I am BEYOND disappointed with them.

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CurlewKate · 29/12/2025 15:58

PutTheCakeDOWN · 29/12/2025 15:16

Basically @HermioneWeasley with some posters, if you think this Labour government is anything short of perfectly splendid, you are a far right reformer.

Out of interest, @PutTheCakeDOWNare you deliberately trying to shut down any sort of debate?

sleepwouldbenice · 29/12/2025 16:01

Fluffyhoglets · 29/12/2025 15:15

Yes I still support them as do people i know. Including former tory voters. They like the centrist policies.
I also know know people going to the greens etc as labour are not left enough for them.
This is what they've done so far. They are governing to try and put the country on a better footing for everyone not just the wealth hoarders.

NHS
Secured £400m investment to boost clinical trials, improving NHS services and driving growth.
Announced that over 1,000 more GPs will be recruited this year, supporting NHS services.
Set out his long-term plan to rebuild our NHS for good and transform services over the next 10 years.
Transport
Ended train strikes, delivering for passengers.
Launched new legislation to bring the UK's railways back into public ownership which will improve rail services.
Given communities more power over their local bus services.
Housing
Banned no-fault evictions and introduced new protections for renters.
Delivered planning reform to build the homes we need.
Announced ‘Homes for Heroes’ - a programme to ensure all UK Armed Forces Veterans as well as domestic abuse survivors and care leavers have a roof over their head.
Crime and Border Security
Kickstarted a plan to restore neighbourhood policing.
Scrapped the wasteful Rwanda scheme and launched a Border Security Command to smash the criminal smuggling gangs and improve the UK's border security.
Education
Launched a Curriculum and Assessment Review to help improve schools.
Started the drive to recruit 6,500 teachers nationally, improving the education system.
Launched Skills England to transform opportunities and drive growth.
Scrapped single headline Ofsted grades in schools in landmark school reform.
Overhauled apprenticeships through a new Growth and Skills Levy.
Supported parents by announcing the first stage of the government's plan to deliver 3,000 school-based nurseries.
Announced the Children's Wellbeing bill which will remove barriers to opportunity and make sure the school system is fair for every child.
Kickstarted the rollout of free breakfast clubs for all primary school children through an early adopters scheme.
Economy and employment
Unveiled new measures to support small businesses impacted by late payments.
Scrapped the ban on onshore wind and unblocked solar schemes to deliver lower bills and good jobs.
Announced improved employment rights for workers, with a package of reforms that will Make Work Pay - including ending exploitative zero hour contracts, providing statutory sick pay from day one, and ending fire and rehire.
Secured a record 131 new green infrastructure projects which will create jobs and drive growth.
Announced a new National Wealth Fund to unlock private investment.
Introduced a new Fiscal Lock Law to deliver economic stability and protect family finances.
Announced new Covid Corruption Commissioner to get back what is owed to people.
Launched landmark pensions review to support pensioners.
Environment
Launched a new Floods Resilience Taskforce to turbocharge flood preparedness and support delivery of flood defences.
Delivered new measures to penalise water bosses who pollute waters.
Announced a new deal for farmers, which will go further to support farmers, boosting rural economic growth and strengthening Britain's food security.
Cost of living
Launched the Warm Homes Plan to deliver lower energy bills and lift over one million households out of fuel poverty.
Established the Child Poverty Taskforce, working across government departments to tackle child poverty.
Working to drive up Pension Credit applications.
Extended the Household Support Fund to support struggling households with bills and essential costs over winter.
Defence
Launched a new Armed Forces Commissioner who will be a strong, independent champion to improve life for UK service personnel and their families.
Awarded our armed forces the largest pay increase in decades which will renew the nation's contract with those who serve.

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I didn't vote Labour
But I am happy with the majority of what they have done / spent money on
I also totally dreaded their foreign policy but have been impressed, despite the need to be pleasant to Trump
Increasing NI was a disaster as was reversing ideas on reducing WFP and some welfare. They should have compromised not reversed these policies
But they are atrocious at managing the message and that will cost them dear.
Thousand times preferable to reform though

OchreSnail · 29/12/2025 16:02

Dismantling British culture how, exactly?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:03

Piggywaspushed · 29/12/2025 15:33

No one has said that.

A couple of posts later even

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:05

HermioneWeasley · 29/12/2025 15:14

I genuinely find this interesting because when I’ve done political calculators/ who should I vote for in the past I’ve come out as very centre. Perhaps my views have shifted or perhaps the political definitions have shifted?

like most people I suppose, I think my views are reasonable/ common sense

i support immigration- I am an immigrant. But I support controlled immigration of people who will contribute and who value democracy and equality. My family fled the Middle East to get away from the Islamist nut jobs who are being welcomed here and it scares me, particularly as a gay woman. Many of my family are practising Muslims (I am not), but they don’t want to marry cousins or think women should cover themselves from head to toe and I think we should discourage people who do want that because it’s not compatible with democracy and equality. It’s right wing to want equality for women and gay people? And to want Jews to be safe?

I think economic growth should be encouraged rather than hindered and businesses should be encouraged to create jobs, not disincentivised. Maybe that is right wing?

I think if you can work you should work. I think it’s damaging to raise taxes to fund more welfare. I suppose that is tending right.

I don’t think we should house rapists in women’s prisons, even if that makes the rapists sad. Is opposing rapists rights, right wing?

I don’t think we should be conducting harmful medical trials on children who are disproportionately likely to be gay and/or disabled. I don’t think that’s right wing.

What do people disagree with here?

Piggywaspushed · 29/12/2025 16:10

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:03

A couple of posts later even

Literally no one said it . Not that I can see. They said she doesn't sound centrist.

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:12

Piggywaspushed · 29/12/2025 16:10

Literally no one said it . Not that I can see. They said she doesn't sound centrist.

15.50 post says it a couple after yours.

Battytwatty · 29/12/2025 16:17

gamerchick · 28/12/2025 12:44

I don't think any party could have fixed the mess the country is in. Especially it immediately which is what people were expecting.

Problem is, people are thick. They can't link events to why shit life is now.

It's always "done nothing ' with the small boat crossings. What exactly do people want to see happen? Blow them up like the US?

The Navy should be in the English Channel turning them back.

Piggywaspushed · 29/12/2025 16:19

Eastern, earlier in the thread , you asked for people to post examples of what they approve of or like that this government has done. Plenty of posters, not just me, have done this. I mentioned the improvements for care leavers.

The post you have flagged by hermione is written in a much more moderate way than her initial post but is still loaded so that if we disagreed with her we'd sound bad. It's a well worn tactic.

I am very happy with some of the social reforms brought in and by the promised focus on mental health provision in schools and in the NHS. I am happy with the movements towards nationalisation and with the benefits of the raising of the NMW.I am not happy about other things where I lean far left of current Labour. But I will stick with them. Our local Labour MP ( he isn't mine. I live a mile into a different constituency which went back to Tory at the last election, bucking the trend) is excellent and the town will notice the difference if they lose him to some waste of space Reform MP.

Bagsintheboot · 29/12/2025 16:21

Battytwatty · 29/12/2025 16:17

The Navy should be in the English Channel turning them back.

This has been done to death - the Navy has no authority to enter French waters to return them.

Maritime law means that those in distress must be rescued.

There is no legal option for the Navy to do as you suggest. And besides, it's not the Navy's remit, in the same way you don't call the army out to police football games.

https://www.navylookout.com/why-its-not-the-royal-navys-job-to-stop-migrant-boats/

Why it’s not the Royal Navy’s job to stop migrant boats - Navy Lookout

The flow of migrant boats crossing the English Channel has led to daily rants on social media demanding we "send in the Royal Navy to defend our borders". Here we briefly look at why using the navy this way is impractical, wasteful and has already prov...

https://www.navylookout.com/why-its-not-the-royal-navys-job-to-stop-migrant-boats/

Piggywaspushed · 29/12/2025 16:21

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:12

15.50 post says it a couple after yours.

After I said no one had said it??? I'm not a soothsayer! Anyway, it wasn't aimed at hermione and used the word Reform , not extreme.

TheCompactPussycat · 29/12/2025 16:22

HermioneWeasley · 29/12/2025 15:32

I don’t really care what posters label me, I simply find it interesting.

I sincerely believe if you did a poll, the majority of people would agree with my opinions, so to me that is “centrist”. Perhaps I’m using the term wrongly.

Yes, you're using the term incorrectly. I think you are conflating populist with centrist. Centrist is a specific point on the political spectrum. It doesn't move according to what popular opinion is. Popular opinion has shifted much further right in recent years than it has ever been before (except possibly in the 1930s).

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:26

Piggywaspushed · 29/12/2025 16:21

After I said no one had said it??? I'm not a soothsayer! Anyway, it wasn't aimed at hermione and used the word Reform , not extreme.

The post you said didn’t apply has Reformer in it.

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:27

TheCompactPussycat · 29/12/2025 16:22

Yes, you're using the term incorrectly. I think you are conflating populist with centrist. Centrist is a specific point on the political spectrum. It doesn't move according to what popular opinion is. Popular opinion has shifted much further right in recent years than it has ever been before (except possibly in the 1930s).

Can you say what in @HermioneWeasley15.14 post is populist?

PermanentTemporary · 29/12/2025 16:27

Funny isn’t it. This government deports far far more immigrants than recent Tory administrations managed (50,000 in 18 months, as opposed to 9,000 in the previous 12 months) but gets zero credit for it from the right, and if it’s acknowledged at all by the left they disapprove. The big recent drops in peak immigration were due to Conservative policy changes in 2024 but hell will freeze over before Starmer changes them. What they’re doing better at is exactly what people on this thread are saying they’re not doing.

If anyone on this thread responds to this post it will be to try to distract from these figures.

Hellohelga · 29/12/2025 16:29

I still support them. I think inflation and low growth are down to Brexit, Covid, Ukraine war and Trump tariffs. I support almost everything they have done.

Negotiated reduced DT tariffs and a good deal with Europe.
Big investment in science and tech = important growth area for Uk
Investment in nuclear
More doctors appointments
VAT for private schools
Plans for more apprenticeships and less focus on degrees
Plans to get NEETs into work.
Specialist rape units in every police force
Ending trail hunting
Ending animal testing (phased - can’t come soon enough)
End to Rawanda scheme
Immigration restrictions but fast track for key sectors - NHS, science and tech.

Im more worried about 1million British NEETs who can’t/ won’t work than immigrants who want to come here and work.

Piggywaspushed · 29/12/2025 16:30

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:26

The post you said didn’t apply has Reformer in it.

I am just confused now so I give up.

The argument was over hermione specifically being called extreme.

The post you are now bewilderingly applying was directed at the OP I believe, was said after I said no one had said the thing, and still didn't say the thing.

Hey ho.

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:32

PutTheCakeDOWN · 29/12/2025 15:16

Basically @HermioneWeasley with some posters, if you think this Labour government is anything short of perfectly splendid, you are a far right reformer.

@PiggywaspushedHere you go couple of posts later Reform from pp

The pp was right in their prediction.

Piggywaspushed · 29/12/2025 16:36

Oh my dear love. Saying reform is not the same as saying 'far right Reformer'. It also was NOT SAID to Hermione (but to the OP and in response to a very early post) and was said AFTER I said no one had said that. I can't control people's future actions.

You are being so obtuse. Or maybe you just genuinely don't get it.

TheCompactPussycat · 29/12/2025 16:37

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:27

Can you say what in @HermioneWeasley15.14 post is populist?

Populist - as in supporting policies/ideas designed to be popular with the general public/common ordinary people (i.e. people not considered to be the political elite). Most of the views in her post fall into this category.

Her views are populist, not centrist.

Piggywaspushed · 29/12/2025 16:38

Just to clear it up, STILL no one has said that Hermione is Far Right, extreme or a reformer.

Please, for the love of God, can some unknown future poster now please , I beg you, not say this.

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:39

Piggywaspushed · 29/12/2025 16:36

Oh my dear love. Saying reform is not the same as saying 'far right Reformer'. It also was NOT SAID to Hermione (but to the OP and in response to a very early post) and was said AFTER I said no one had said that. I can't control people's future actions.

You are being so obtuse. Or maybe you just genuinely don't get it.

Oh well now you know it often happens on threads, hence the post from the pp.

Papyrophile · 29/12/2025 16:43

Taking @HermioneWeasley 's long post as an example.

IMO, all political parties prefer to ignore nuance. And yet, in most things, the right balance between fairness and pragmatism is quite subtle. It is important that employment should be on decent terms and conditions, but unrealistic to expect employers (especially SMEs that employ about 60% of us all) to fund every right and protection to eg SSP from the first shift, because that just discourages employers from hiring young, or inexperienced staff. Rights should accrue with length of service.

Also on SMEs, governments need to recognise that most small businesses need lighter regulation, not more. And as over 70% of such small businesses already fail to survive the death or retirement of the founder/owner, it's counterproductive to tax entrepreneurs too heavily, because if there's no incentive to go on investing and growing the company while shouldering the whole burden of rents, rates, payroll and compliance, then most people simply won't bother.

I agree with Hermione on migration. I was an emigrant in 1979. But it is reasonable to expect migrants to pay their own way, feed and house themselves and not to burden the tax-payers, who did not invite them. Likewise, if you migrate, please don't bring your historic grudges and vendettas along. Fit in, assimilate and bite your tongue when a secular UK gives equal rights to women, gay people and other faiths.

If you can work, and get work, you should. I supported the two child benefit cap, and still do. Everyone had 24 months' notice before it was introduced and it was not applied retrospectively.

I also think benefits should be time-limited, except for those who are severely physically or intellectually incapacitated; I'd allow two years, but I am also aware that sickness benefits without requirement to seek work are currently supporting a lot of older people who can't physically continue strenuous occupations right through to retirement age. This is a huge issue at the moment.

Rapists in women's prisons? Hard no from me.

Renationalising industries like rail... Again, it needs more nuance. In the early 1990s, I did a lot of work (and travel) on railways. It was nationalised because the government couldn't afford the required investment; British Rail priced demand off the railway; the stations were run down, the rolling stock obsolete. The infrastructure really did improve for almost a decade, but the failure to control who owned the shares was a big failure. Companies like BAA, ABP and the utility and water companies were acquired by overseas investors who paid out those dividend streams to pension funds in other countries and neglected the assets/infrastructures that generated the income, before dumping them when the liabilities got too costly. Thames Water is the most egregious example.

Every government of the last 40 years is equally culpable.

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 16:43

TheCompactPussycat · 29/12/2025 16:37

Populist - as in supporting policies/ideas designed to be popular with the general public/common ordinary people (i.e. people not considered to be the political elite). Most of the views in her post fall into this category.

Her views are populist, not centrist.

Well people do get a vote tg.

But just to clarify do you mean that job creation, which is on the list, is populist?

Alexandra2001 · 29/12/2025 16:46

HermioneWeasley · 29/12/2025 15:32

I don’t really care what posters label me, I simply find it interesting.

I sincerely believe if you did a poll, the majority of people would agree with my opinions, so to me that is “centrist”. Perhaps I’m using the term wrongly.

You said you were a "floating voter" so willing to give a chance and listen to what any party might propose?

Yet your 2nd sentence was this "....Labour have been even worse than I feared"

So you had no intention of giving them a chance, you'd already made up your mind pre election..... plus pretty much ALL the points you raised happened/or didn't or were introduced by the Tories, who its pretty clear you support or Reform.

Both parties are hardly centralist in the traditional sense of the word.