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Labour isn't working - Thread 24

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TheNuthatch · 22/12/2025 07:42

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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EmeraldRoulette · 12/01/2026 17:03

@Hyperobject I wouldn't have anyone to check in with. But if I did have someone, why would I be using an app? Does it notify the authorities or something?

frustration with elderly parents is a huge problem, but as long as people keep living so long, I don't see how it's going to go away. (I'd say I'm in the thick of it myself, but it's been going on so long, I don't know how to describe it really, it's hellish).

EasternStandard · 12/01/2026 17:17

EmeraldRoulette · 12/01/2026 16:53

I hear the business secretary is claiming that govt did not have access to full information about impact of increased rates on hospitality.

I don't believe anyone's hiding information from them! 🤷🏻‍♀️

Every bloody time. It’s someone else apparently. How are they still this hopeless and lying?

TheNuthatch · 12/01/2026 17:21

justasking111 · 12/01/2026 15:42

What's left to tax to raise 24 bn?

Let's not give them ideas 😬

Apparently Starmer was rather annoyed when told as he had been assured that all of their plans had been 'fully costed'. Where have we heard that before!

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TheNuthatch · 12/01/2026 17:24

EmeraldRoulette · 12/01/2026 16:53

I hear the business secretary is claiming that govt did not have access to full information about impact of increased rates on hospitality.

I don't believe anyone's hiding information from them! 🤷🏻‍♀️

Really? So has he offered his resignation? He should if he didn't know until Tom Kerridge explained it to him personally. What a crock.

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Sarahconnor1 · 12/01/2026 17:25

EmeraldRoulette · 12/01/2026 16:53

I hear the business secretary is claiming that govt did not have access to full information about impact of increased rates on hospitality.

I don't believe anyone's hiding information from them! 🤷🏻‍♀️

Are they saying that they make budget decisions without understanding the impacts or implications of those decisions.

I mean it's what I suspected, and it explains a lot but it's an an astonishing admission

strawberrybubblegum · 12/01/2026 17:29

EmeraldRoulette · 12/01/2026 17:03

@Hyperobject I wouldn't have anyone to check in with. But if I did have someone, why would I be using an app? Does it notify the authorities or something?

frustration with elderly parents is a huge problem, but as long as people keep living so long, I don't see how it's going to go away. (I'd say I'm in the thick of it myself, but it's been going on so long, I don't know how to describe it really, it's hellish).

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Many people don't check in with relatives every day, especially if they are in reasonable health.

Gene Hackman's death (after the sudden death of his wife, who was also his carer) was a heart-breaking and horrifying example.

strawberrybubblegum · 12/01/2026 17:33

EmeraldRoulette · 12/01/2026 16:53

I hear the business secretary is claiming that govt did not have access to full information about impact of increased rates on hospitality.

I don't believe anyone's hiding information from them! 🤷🏻‍♀️

Whose job do they think it is to figure out about the consequences of the policies they enact?!

Have they been in opposition so long that they don't actually realise that this is their job?

EasternStandard · 12/01/2026 17:44

strawberrybubblegum · 12/01/2026 17:33

Whose job do they think it is to figure out about the consequences of the policies they enact?!

Have they been in opposition so long that they don't actually realise that this is their job?

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Such amateur incompetence. Bizarre.

EasternStandard · 12/01/2026 17:48

TheNuthatch · 12/01/2026 10:03

Morning all. Happy Monday.

Awful pictures and footage coming out of Iran. Hundreds confirmed dead now, no doubt thats a conservative estimate. At least it is now getting coverage on msm.

Rumour has it that a Manchester MP will step down in the next few weeks, paving the way for Andy Burnham to run in a by election. This is expected to be announced in March. The by election would happen in May. It would be easier for AB to win if the election happens at the same time as the other May elections, as the other parties will be too busy elsewhere to give it their full attention.

Starmer and Reeves were informed at a Downing St meeting in the run up to Xmas that there is a £28bn defence spending black hole. A select committee meeting later today should give more details.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14rj11ez5mo

Just coming back to this Burnham info. Labour are probably toast either way but just reading posters still admiring Starmer on here him going would at least be popcorn level amusing.

EmeraldRoulette · 12/01/2026 17:58

I think there is more in the Times and Telegraph about the business secretary comments, but I don't have access. Which is fine - I think I've heard enough! 😱😱🤦🏽‍♀️

TheNuthatch · 12/01/2026 18:01

EasternStandard · 12/01/2026 17:48

Just coming back to this Burnham info. Labour are probably toast either way but just reading posters still admiring Starmer on here him going would at least be popcorn level amusing.

Oh it will be box office 🍿 😂

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NoWordForFluffy · 12/01/2026 18:38

ProfessorIDareSay · 12/01/2026 14:47

Just home from walking the dogs to see a massive military plane banking over the trees near us! Really made me jump.
According to Flight Radar it was an RAF Airbus A400M Atlas and was at 900 feet, which is really low.

I think this government is making me so nervous now that even aeroplanes are giving me the heebie-jeebies, though to be fair we don’t get much air traffic over Dorset, usually only small aircraft and medical helicopters. We do get a few Chinooks flying along the coast; they really make your fillings rattle.

It’s heading towards Banbury now, still flying pretty low. A training flight I expect.

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Yep, training flight. 5 were up and about today, down off the Cornish coast.

Hyperobject · 12/01/2026 18:47

TheNuthatch · 12/01/2026 18:01

Oh it will be box office 🍿 😂

There would be a plethora of cat photos, or scenes of winter, or seasonal menus - anything but mention of the calamity that would have befallen their beloved party…

Hyperobject · 12/01/2026 18:48

EasternStandard · 12/01/2026 17:44

Such amateur incompetence. Bizarre.

Typical Reeves policy by focus group etc.

Hyperobject · 12/01/2026 18:50

In other news - another thorny decision for our ringbinder-in-chief to grapple with…

China is to build a hidden chamber alongside Britain’s most sensitive communication cables as part of a network of 208 secret rooms beneath its new London “super-embassy”, The Telegraph can reveal.

This newspaper has uncovered detailed plans for an underground complex below the vast diplomatic site in central London, which Beijing has sought to keep from public scrutiny.

Despite the apparent security risk, Sir Keir Starmer is expected to approve the embassy before a visit to China later this month, when he is due to meet Xi Jinping, the Chinese president.

The plans, which are redacted in all publicly available versions, can only be revealed because The Telegraph has uncovered the unredacted documents.
The drawings show that a single concealed chamber will sit directly alongside fibre-optic cables transmitting financial data to the City of London, as well as email and messaging traffic for millions of internet users.

The same hidden room is fitted with hot-air extraction systems, possibly suggesting the installation of heat-generating equipment such as advanced computers used for espionage. The plans also show that China intends to demolish and rebuild the outer basement wall of the chamber, directly beside the fibre-optic cables.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/01/2026 18:56

I'm getting more and more puzzled with the handling of the Iran crisis.

I was hoping for more support for the uprising there, now it's at least on the news.

CambridgeSingers · 12/01/2026 19:17

Is the theory that if it’s built in London, they’ll be able to gather enough intelligence to mitigate the risk? You hope someone has a plan.

but as we can’t even manage economic policy impacts…

CambridgeSingers · 12/01/2026 19:18

The Iran crisis is so awful, the bodies piling up, what an absolute quagmire 2026 has started out as.

CruCru · 12/01/2026 19:35

DancingFerret · 12/01/2026 10:34

I've seen a comment that this is Iran's "Berlin Wall moment"; its people need all the help they can get to overthrow their dictators, yet this country hardly acknowledges their plight, let alone pledge help.

Defence budget: I imagine Starmer and Reeves's reaction to the £28m black hole was to stick their fingers in their ears and rapidly change the subject. As time goes on, it's becoming obvious they have a piggy bank approach to finance with little or no comprehension of how their puerile and spiteful decisions affect the nation. It's absolutely bl00dy frightening.

According to Jenni Russell in the Times, Starmer told the Armed Forces who told him about the shortfall to “calculate their needs again”. Basically, he didn’t like the answer so wants a different one.

Hyperobject · 12/01/2026 19:35

CambridgeSingers · 12/01/2026 19:17

Is the theory that if it’s built in London, they’ll be able to gather enough intelligence to mitigate the risk? You hope someone has a plan.

but as we can’t even manage economic policy impacts…

I think Starmer is stymied on this one - as in, he evidently feels compelled to give it the nod (otherwise there would be no state visit scheduled), but imagine the resources required to ‘mitigate’ the risk….if one even can mitigate it…

Watch how this ultimately plays in to his digital ID scheme further down the road, with the inevitable data breach.

You can almost write the headlines now.

Julen7 · 12/01/2026 19:38

Hyperobject · 12/01/2026 18:47

There would be a plethora of cat photos, or scenes of winter, or seasonal menus - anything but mention of the calamity that would have befallen their beloved party…

Or going off in Welsh or Dutch seems to be a thing on there when there’s an awkward moment.

Hyperobject · 12/01/2026 19:40

Julen7 · 12/01/2026 19:38

Or going off in Welsh or Dutch seems to be a thing on there when there’s an awkward moment.

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🤔😝

TheNuthatch · 12/01/2026 19:41

Hyperobject · 12/01/2026 18:50

In other news - another thorny decision for our ringbinder-in-chief to grapple with…

China is to build a hidden chamber alongside Britain’s most sensitive communication cables as part of a network of 208 secret rooms beneath its new London “super-embassy”, The Telegraph can reveal.

This newspaper has uncovered detailed plans for an underground complex below the vast diplomatic site in central London, which Beijing has sought to keep from public scrutiny.

Despite the apparent security risk, Sir Keir Starmer is expected to approve the embassy before a visit to China later this month, when he is due to meet Xi Jinping, the Chinese president.

The plans, which are redacted in all publicly available versions, can only be revealed because The Telegraph has uncovered the unredacted documents.
The drawings show that a single concealed chamber will sit directly alongside fibre-optic cables transmitting financial data to the City of London, as well as email and messaging traffic for millions of internet users.

The same hidden room is fitted with hot-air extraction systems, possibly suggesting the installation of heat-generating equipment such as advanced computers used for espionage. The plans also show that China intends to demolish and rebuild the outer basement wall of the chamber, directly beside the fibre-optic cables.

I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation.😬

Starmer should reconsider his trip to China. Not a good look for the UK in the current climate.

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Hyperobject · 12/01/2026 19:44

TheNuthatch · 12/01/2026 19:41

I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation.😬

Starmer should reconsider his trip to China. Not a good look for the UK in the current climate.

I’m beginning to think that he’s simply banking problems for a Reform government to deal with….

justasking111 · 12/01/2026 19:46

NoWordForFluffy · 12/01/2026 16:31

I know somebody who pilots these for the RAF, so I'll ask if he's been out and about today.

I've seen it out and about on Flight Radar a fair bit recently.

Was one local to us today as well. Someone got a picture

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