Bondi beach mass shooting

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Just horrendous. There was a big Jewish gathering on the beach. Jewish festival goers targeted by two gunmen. At least ten people dead according to police.

The Gazan families aren't wearing the clothing, it is the parents who organise and support them moving here. This isn't the same program either.

It was the whole purpose of when. Islam was invented, at least conquering the surrounding areas and access to the Mediterranean-if only people would pick up the history books and step away from #bekind. Of course for many Muslims this intention is no longer relevant just wanting to get on with their lives and personal beliefs. However, there’s a lot of Muslims for whom this is a central part of their beliefs. It needs recognising and tackling.

Cool. So the UK has multiple programs to take folk from Gaza as refugees. I never saw that on the news.

Not so good the helpers are wearing inflammatory clothes though. I would have thought the school or the asylum folk would have a word.

Christians do not 'hate Muslims'. We would dearly love them to come to Christ for salvation (I personally know a few who have done just that), and for those who espouse violence, we'd love them to lay down their weapons and repent. Violence never wins, not in the end. Many great civilisations have risen and fallen on the back of military might and invasions, yet eventually they too fall and are replaced. This cycle will repeat until humanity turns away from violence and turns to Christ for salvation. There is very little in the news about the massacres of Christians going on worldwide, especially in parts of Africa right now, yet it is happening at a sickening rate.

Radical Islam is, as a few pp's have said, aiming for a global caliphate, and they will do it by violence if they have to. We can no longer think that what happens away from our shores in the UK can never come here, it can and it will. If peaceful law-abiding Muslims do not want this type of radical Islam then they must speak out and stand up against it too.

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1. I think that people have difficulty in distinguishing Jewish people, from the actions of the current expansionist right-leaning governement in Israel, and their actions in the Gaza strip. This is probably one of the first conflicts to Its analysis indicates that the air force has used unguided bombs in populated areas.

I agree about freeing Palestine from Hamas control. But the difficulty distinguishing Jews living in other countries from the Israeli govt is an argument I’m not sure I buy into. Or at least, find puzzling.

Yes Gaza is being documented in real time, but so are other conflicts. If attackers, and radical extremists or even those on pro palenstine marches are targeting Jewish people because they are not able to distinguish Jews in the UK or Australia or the US or anywhere in Europe from the Israeli government actions in Gaza, why are we not seeing similar attacks on Russian people around the globe? Especially given that Russia is and has killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and raised multiple cities to the ground in an entirely unprovoked invasion. Why no attacks against Sudanese people in other countries in protest at the ethnic cleansing happening in Sudan?

Or is this forced teaming of Jewish people, many whom do not support Netanyahu govt, with the Israeli govt just a convenient excuse to act on a deeper visceral hatred of all Jewish people?

The West has largely moved on from religion: it’s seen as rather a sort of hobby and everyone can carry on in a liberal way as it harms no one else. We can all happily co-exist!

But with mass migration and the radicalisation of the countries from which immigrants are coming - this just is no longer working. I don’t think people can get their heads around others hating us and despising our culture.

The problem must be confronted. “Lessons will be learned” “we all stand together” - no use whatsoever when every Christmas market is threatened, NY in Paris cancelled, nay, Hanukkah celebrators picked off with shotguns.

EmeraldShamrock000 that's interesting to learn but I watched the video of Dublin City Council debating the proposal to change the name of Herzl Park. Some councillors were blatantly antisemitic, it was so shocking to watch.
DD2 studied for five years at Trinity College in the 2000's and made a number of Irish friends, including one who became her bestie, now a best selling author, so not an uneducated or intelligent person. Two days after 7 October she wrote to DD to say that a genocide was being committed in Gaza. Israel had barely adjusted to the fact that a pogrom had taken place. Needless to say DD no longer speaks to her. I know this is just one instance of personal Irish anti Semitism but it is most definitely there.

Sally Rooney? She has been openly anti semitic for years.

ETA- if you google her name and 'anti semitism' it's all there, before someone decides this is libel.

Exactly. We need to wake up and read the writing on the wall.

I hear you. My DGS1 is 13 and doesn't wear the Star of David I bought him,nor does he tell anyone at school that he is Jewish. None of us are religious but we are proud of our Jewish heritage and yet are now forced to hide the fatc for fear of being told 'Hitler was right' 'Gas the Jews' etc or being beaten up, even killed as witnessed at Manchester or Sydney.
This is so reminiscent of my mother's childhood in Germany 100 years ago but in many ways it is worse because hatred of Jews is everywhere in the world, not just in one European country.
I despair.

So are you saying the Daily Mail made it up?

No it's not Sally Rooney, who I agree has been openly antisemitic for years. I won't name the writer concerned but she has sold a lot of books both in Ireland and elsewhere.

Not regular Islam, but extremist nutters. Most Muslims are peaceable and do not go round killing people.

Christian are being targeted in Nigeria . There have been a number of kidnappings of individuals by Muslims from Northern Nigeria who want to turn Nigeria ( a Christian country ) into an Islamic state .

This is so true and my home country has had no end of problems with mass immigration.

Have you read the Quran? Do you speak arabic? Have you read the hadithes? Show me where in the religion is the idea of conquering countries - or an islamic takeover mentioned.

Last i remember the Prophet was heavily persecuted and would seek refugee in other countries namely Abyssinia. Refuge not a takeover.

Is Jesus the rabbi or the Jewish mystic here? And who's the Roman?

You learn something new. As a Muslim, I didn’t know the true purpose of my religion was to claim/fight for territories, namely Christian and Jewish ones.

I wonder why I bother fasting, giving charity, etc., if I really need to be on a battlefield fighting and claiming land—forcing people to “revert” and, if they don’t, punishing them with taxes, etc.

In fact why are Muslims sat in their homes clearly the message is failing. Maybe we do not understand our own religion. Mind you i am someone who is well-versed in the Quran and an arabic speaker. But somehow this message has missed me. Thanks for enlightening me.

I have learnt so much from Islam from people that i know do not speak arabic to truly grasp the context of the Quran and have probably never spent a day actually learning the Seerah.

@Staringintothevoid616 I don't really agree with your take, although maybe there's something in it. I'd have to do a whole bunch of research. It's natural for human beings to follow trade routes, though. Doesn't necessarily mean that all religion is based on such practicalities.

It would be respectful if we remembered the purpose of the thread and didn’t derail it.

I thought that message was a bit odd, but I don't know enough about Islam to refute it. Thanks for your insight. 💐

Wasn’t there a mosque vandalised in the Uk and it turned out to have been done by Muslims wanting to stoke more anger and hatred within their own community for non-Muslims?

People are conversing and it's flowing around various aspects of the topic, as conversations do. Currently we're on Islam, which is relevant because the killer appears to have been a Muslim.

show us? Proof?