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Bondi beach mass shooting

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habin · 14/12/2025 10:00

Just horrendous. There was a big Jewish gathering on the beach. Jewish festival goers targeted by two gunmen. At least ten people dead according to police.

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EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 08:00

EmeraldShamrock000 · 15/12/2025 07:58

Very sad news, those people who were attacked must have been terrified.
it is a terrifying time for Jewish people.
The hate for Islam is growing at an alarming pace too.
Pig heads have been placed on Muslim graves overnight.
The Islamic radicalism is growing fast alongside the hate for Islamic traditions in western society.

Where have the pig heads been placed overnight? I haven't seen that. How distressing.

Jeronnemo · 15/12/2025 08:01

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 15/12/2025 07:07

It's not religion that causes mayhem; it's evil people who use religion as a cover-up for their innate malevolence and who take verses out of context to get useful idiots to follow their wickedness. I can assure you, the world is chock-full of Muslims who do not murder people.

It's not evil people either, it's men. It's really important to name the problem and call it what it is.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 15/12/2025 08:01

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 08:00

Where have the pig heads been placed overnight? I haven't seen that. How distressing.

In Australia. Close to Bondi beach.

Jeronnemo · 15/12/2025 08:02

marmalade007 · 15/12/2025 07:13

Still lost sorry, you need to be clearer.

I don't necessarily agree with her but she is being perfectly clear. Her points are well articulated and easy to follow.

PurpleThistle7 · 15/12/2025 08:02

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 07:59

@PurpleThistle7 - well I am shocked.
I admit it.
I genuinely didn't expect it. There's been something of an undercurrent on here, but to be so overt?
I am going to say that I'm glad it has the power to shock me because that way I'll never accept it, nor fail to challenge it.

I think two years of listening to people yelling wishes for my death has made me immune to any surprise. And the meeting with the school where they suggested my daughter just not mention she was Jewish and then maybe the boys would stop harassing her. Which was super stupid advice as the all knew she was Jewish and also she has ever right to be. I really appreciate any support - we are too little to do it all ourselves, we need allies!

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 08:03

EmeraldShamrock000 · 15/12/2025 08:01

In Australia. Close to Bondi beach.

That's just dreadful. I hope cctv has identified the perpetrators.

echt · 15/12/2025 08:03

echt · 15/12/2025 07:37

Seriously? Give your head a wobble.

"Playing a card" in these terms means a cynical claiming of some "offence" given. It's rare like victim-blaming. Your "not saying" it then going on to claim that perpetuating the idea is not helpful - by whom by the way? means you are having your cake and eating it.

Anyone who cannot see that Jews have been targeted and fucked over for centuries and continue to be targeted has not being paying attention.

Here's me quoting me.

If you want a post which responds to dodgy stuff to stand, and mine did, selectively quote while still conveying the essence of what the utter cunt said. In that way, you avoid deletion and your post make more sense. It takes more time. I only ever respond on laptop, but worth it.

RainbowBagels · 15/12/2025 08:04

Manova14 · 15/12/2025 05:28

One case from over thirty years ago says nothing about our current problems.
Islamic fundamentalism is the problem. No other religion.

In this country over 90% of referrals to Prevent are related to Islamist fundamentalism- out of a population of 2 million people. The rest is White Nationalist Far Right so of course it exists but it is dwarfed by the sheer number of Islamist terror activities that security services are dealing with. Why are people determined to minimise this threat? Islamist fundamentalists are the Far Right extremists of Islam. They have the same beliefs about women, gay people, people of other races and religions ( especially Judaism) as the Nazis. Yet the Left seems in thrall to them and will engage in all manner of minimising, whataboutery and excuses to defend them. It makes no sense. Do they really think if Palestine was 'free from the River to the Sea' that it would be a socialist secular democracy where they could hold Pride marches through the streets? Or do they actually not care that much at all?

EdithStourton · 15/12/2025 08:05

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 07:52

Are the victims routinely blamed? Because there's a lot of that going on here with Jews.
Someone upthread mentioned Anders Breivik.
I don't recall his victims being blamed, or questions raised about their connections to global events.

No, of course they're not.
You and I both know that when Jewish people are killed, an awful lot of people turn themselves into pretzels in trying to explain how it's all their own fault.

Somehow whatever is happening in Israel is used to justify the murder of Jews. It's used to justify antisemitism.

But if you say that you are wary of elements of Islam because of events like this, you're immediately told that it's 'not all Muslims', as if that wasn't glaringly obvious.

ChristmasMantleStatue · 15/12/2025 08:05

EmeraldShamrock000 · 15/12/2025 08:01

In Australia. Close to Bondi beach.

That's dreadful. And there is no excuse for such a thing.

echt · 15/12/2025 08:06

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 08:00

Where have the pig heads been placed overnight? I haven't seen that. How distressing.

Proof please.

LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 08:06

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Quite.

People want ‘Islamophobia’ laws but Jewish people are fair game.

Manova14 · 15/12/2025 08:07

RainbowBagels · 15/12/2025 08:04

In this country over 90% of referrals to Prevent are related to Islamist fundamentalism- out of a population of 2 million people. The rest is White Nationalist Far Right so of course it exists but it is dwarfed by the sheer number of Islamist terror activities that security services are dealing with. Why are people determined to minimise this threat? Islamist fundamentalists are the Far Right extremists of Islam. They have the same beliefs about women, gay people, people of other races and religions ( especially Judaism) as the Nazis. Yet the Left seems in thrall to them and will engage in all manner of minimising, whataboutery and excuses to defend them. It makes no sense. Do they really think if Palestine was 'free from the River to the Sea' that it would be a socialist secular democracy where they could hold Pride marches through the streets? Or do they actually not care that much at all?

Well said.

Grinch11 · 15/12/2025 08:09

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 08:00

Where have the pig heads been placed overnight? I haven't seen that. How distressing.

I’d respectfully suggest that having friends and family murdered is somewhat more distressing.

Maybe if governments allowed people to openly discuss the root cause of these terrorist attacks they wouldn’t feel as if they had to find other ways to express their horror.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 08:09

PurpleThistle7 · 15/12/2025 08:02

I think two years of listening to people yelling wishes for my death has made me immune to any surprise. And the meeting with the school where they suggested my daughter just not mention she was Jewish and then maybe the boys would stop harassing her. Which was super stupid advice as the all knew she was Jewish and also she has ever right to be. I really appreciate any support - we are too little to do it all ourselves, we need allies!

I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter. That school has abdicated it's duty of care. She is a child, she should be protected. I have been a teacher for many years, but in the last few years I've seen antisemitism in school become more frequent and more open. Two boys were suspended recently for saying things that would have made Julius Streicher proud, and I won't share details of graffiti.
We have to be on it and we have to draw a line.
We've had to clamp down on this, as well as an increase in homophobia and anti Chinese racism.
No time for complacency.
I am very sorry to hear that your family are suffering like this. 💐

EmeraldShamrock000 · 15/12/2025 08:09

Religion is responsible for the division when certain religions thrive on division, they don’t want to mix with others, they would be happy for you to convert. I’m personally worried about the amount of young people promoting religious views online.
Pigs head incident is on the daily mail front page.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 08:10

What an absolutely vile thing to do.
Desecration.

Manova14 · 15/12/2025 08:10

Who'd have EVER predicted this could happen in a country where Islamist fuckheads celebrated October 7 by chanting "Burn the Jews" outside the Sydney Opera house.

Nothing to see here! Christian nationalists are just as big a problem!

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 15/12/2025 08:11

Damnloginpopup · 15/12/2025 07:44

Yeah. I posted the picture in a response to the previous post. Then thought it was not the place but was unable to delete it despite seconds passing. Still, this thread ceased to be about the Bondi murders long before.

I'm tolerant of everyone's right to believe anything. Religion, gender, quantum physics, Father Christmas. Not affected by it so totally ambivalent. But I also believe in the right to question the reality of one hundred different Gods, one God and no Gods*. I am aware of the people of the book, aware of the issues that stem from religious belief and aware of the use of religious excuse.

I chose not to believe in religion. Purely because I just don't believe it. I'd LOVE to believe in Norse, best religious text, the Prose Edda,I've waded through. But...nah. bollocks. Having been to Dachau and Ponary lately (I often end up in places of extreme human darkness around the world) I also chose not to pander to people who do. But Ido defend their right to believe.

*Goes, Prophets, Popes, Ayatollahs...

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Well, as I often say, it's not religion that makes evil people do evil things, it's just their pure evil, using religion as a cover-up and a means to recruit useful idiots who are also evil. Because if they just said "Hey, I'm a murderous evil bastard who wants to kill huge groups of people for shits and giggles, wanna join?" they wouldn't get many takers. Evil people need a following to accomplish their malevolent aims. The holy books of Judaism, Christianity, and regular Islam are very clear that murder is a sin. (And yes, before anyone says it, there are some verses in the Koran which look dodgy when taken out of context, but they are actually referring only to a specific battle in which the people in the story hadn't retaliated for four months.)

EmeraldShamrock000 · 15/12/2025 08:12

ChristmasMantleStatue · 15/12/2025 08:05

That's dreadful. And there is no excuse for such a thing.

Well it is retaliation. A pigs head is awful, blowing a child’s head off on a beach is much worse.
i am not condoning either, but some perspective is needed.
if it happened in Ireland, the place would be burning today.

Staringintothevoid616 · 15/12/2025 08:13

RainbowBagels · 15/12/2025 08:04

In this country over 90% of referrals to Prevent are related to Islamist fundamentalism- out of a population of 2 million people. The rest is White Nationalist Far Right so of course it exists but it is dwarfed by the sheer number of Islamist terror activities that security services are dealing with. Why are people determined to minimise this threat? Islamist fundamentalists are the Far Right extremists of Islam. They have the same beliefs about women, gay people, people of other races and religions ( especially Judaism) as the Nazis. Yet the Left seems in thrall to them and will engage in all manner of minimising, whataboutery and excuses to defend them. It makes no sense. Do they really think if Palestine was 'free from the River to the Sea' that it would be a socialist secular democracy where they could hold Pride marches through the streets? Or do they actually not care that much at all?

But that’s the politics of the left, obsessive about the rights of a certain group whose rights outstrip all others (who are usually portrayed as dangerous to stability, equity and “right thinking”). The Left defend this groups rights to the detriment of all others without any understanding of the wider consequences. You see it in their policies, economics and ideology. They are ideologically driven with little in the way of the ability to rationalise this ideology in the real world. It’s 6th form, ideal world politics suffering from the lack of real world experience and wisdom. It makes them very easily manipulated. It’s not the first time that fanatical islamists have utilised socialists (and those on marches should educate themselves on this - because it never ends well for the socialists).

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 08:13

Manova14 · 15/12/2025 08:10

Who'd have EVER predicted this could happen in a country where Islamist fuckheads celebrated October 7 by chanting "Burn the Jews" outside the Sydney Opera house.

Nothing to see here! Christian nationalists are just as big a problem!

I'm going to question why on earth they were allowed to do that?
It's hate speech. I'm sure Australia has appropriate laws?

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 15/12/2025 08:15

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 08:10

What an absolutely vile thing to do.
Desecration.

Utterly despicable.

The world is engaged in a religious war now, isn't it. It's going on all over. It would have happened in Germany today if the police hadn't foiled it.

All so dreadful, and I am not sure how best governments should deal with it. Presumably it's difficult to foil these lone-wolf attacks. (As opposed to attackers who are part of a network and who might have informants, and maybe communications that can be listened in to.)

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