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Labour isn't working - Thread 23

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TheNuthatch · 03/12/2025 14:58

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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EmeraldRoulette · 11/12/2025 18:35

@TheNuthatch "extract a waffle bomb"

What a brilliant phrase, thank you for that 😂

38thparallel · 11/12/2025 18:44

I saw this on Guido

Of the three people running the new rape gang inquiry – finally announced this week – two are publicly registered as Labour members. Chairman Longfield is by dint of being a Labour peer.

I expect it will be another whitewash.

EmeraldRoulette · 11/12/2025 19:09

@38thparallel yes but that's what I was expecting anyway. Fiona Goddard posted on X yesterday to say that she wondered what the point was of seeking justice and I really understood what she was saying.

When you look at things like Hillsborough and the post office, it absolutely breaks my heart how long it took people to get anything vaguely resembling some kind of "justice". I don't tend to say much about the enquiry into the rape gangs because I don't really have faith in any inquiries.

looked up information about the court backlog (David Lammy is using this as an excuse for getting rid of jury trials, why he can't just make a case I don't know, probably because he doesn't have one and I say that as someone who is/was? prepared to keep an open mind on that one) and found this quite interesting

https://ifs.org.uk/news/crown-court-backlog-exacerbated-post-pandemic-k
lproductivity-slump

Unfortunately, I was involved in a legal thing earlier this year and while the solicitor was good, chasing became even more key. Although he was chasing, there were a couple of oddities even in his mind, and he's obviously got used to a court backlog. One crucial piece of paper was found to be sitting in a post office re-delivery place. It seemed the court did not have anyone available to even receive post at around 6 pm, which surprised me.

I've talked on this thread before about my theory that public sector habits are spreading into the private sector. This will apply to courts in one sense, in that the private organisations they're dealing with will perhaps just think "oh it's public sector, and delays are standard"

Sorry to repeat myself, but while I knew there was going to be an issue with productivity post lockdown, I didn't think the government (any type) would be so reluctant to address it. Maybe it's not fixable though.

I can see there's a thread going on about workplaces is not responding to emails. My impression is that the "don't care" attitude with that is spreading as well.

And then I suppose you get people who are good and efficient who are just really pissed off, but as long as those people are a minority, they can't battle a majority who are being unproductive.

And I'm never happy with my own productivity level in winter and I get accused of perfectionism and stuff. I don't lead a team though. The only person who has to live up to my standards is me. Although I really don't feel I'm doing a good job at the moment <wanders off to check over work>

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Parsley4321 · 11/12/2025 21:02

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justasking111 · 11/12/2025 21:26

A sort of civil servant but owns a private company so is a consultant his only client being the government has raged against the Tories for years despite him earning well out of them. This last couple of years we've lost touch he was too rabidly left wing. Heard today he and family are in clover now. His billings stratospheric. His wife gave up her job to travel worldwide with him.

She's clad in gorgeous designer clothes now. They're moving in very rarified circles have dumped friends of decades apparently. I'm quite relieved that my health issues have curtailed a social life. A mutual friend hasn't been so lucky. She has given up trying to meet up because their lives are very important now.

I actually don't think it's her but him. He's revelling in the feeling of being a crucial cog in the labour machine. Enjoying international politics and all that brings travel wise. He's gone from business class to first class in 18 months.

redange · 11/12/2025 21:37

So as long as they don't criticize Labour, the gravy 'train' will continue and they can join Debroah Meaden, Gary Neville, and Gary Stephenson on the Socialist Express ! The thing is the Socialist Express has only raised £85 K so far.

Millionaires call on Rachel Reeves to raise their taxes in Budget - BBC News

No wonder some Labour Supporters are 'Labour to they die'. You see that's the major difference between Labour and Conservative Members. Conservative Members/MP's will 'save' themselves when the 'Shit' hits. Labour people have this 'Cult' like belief that the party is bigger than them. Thus, virtuously take the hit to save the Party !

Dale Vince, wearing a black zipped top, a T-shirt with white writing on a black background and a checked black and white scarf stands next to a coach with environmental slogans written on it

Millionaires call on Rachel Reeves to raise their taxes in Budget

Two wealthy businessmen say the chancellor should make them pay more ahead of the Budget.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2wlznd33wo

EmeraldRoulette · 11/12/2025 21:41

@Parsley4321 i'm often tempted because this is what I hear

But quite honestly, I can't decode the job adverts.

@justasking111 I give credit to the people who know how to make money out of these situations. Makes me wonder if I've been doing things wrong in my life.

@redange wonder if any of these people voluntarily pay extra

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 11/12/2025 21:47

I’m not against massive taxes for the mega-rich. I think we should start with confiscation of, say, 99% of the income, assets and wealth of those who made money from green causes and other Labour-favoured ideals. Like Dale Vince.

After that we can regroup and consider whether other very rich people also need taxing massively. They probably won’t need that: we’ll have raised enough from the virtuous Labour rich to see us through to a sensible government.

Parsley4321 · 11/12/2025 21:51

That millionaire dickhead is the twat with Palestine flag outside his office in a local area he belongs to the best health club locally and is a total champagne socialist
the other twat wanting to pay more money
has a kid who was at the most aspirational prep in the area with my kid just absolute idiots

redange · 11/12/2025 21:57

I guess that they are not many 'real' Farmers or people who currently own Pub Companies or Restaurants on the Socialist Express! Just a bunch, of 'lucky people' that made money 'Quickly' like Dale Vince . Millionaires like Charlie Mullins have a different take, that's because he set Pilimco Plumbers up in 1979 and it was probably 20 years before the 'rewards' started to come for him !

38thparallel · 11/12/2025 22:03

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I wonder if any of these people voluntarily pay extra.

I would love to know the answer to that but I doubt it very much!

Parsley4321 · 11/12/2025 22:03

Dale Vince is an absolute twat he’s local to me and he is despised

justasking111 · 12/12/2025 06:55

redange · 11/12/2025 21:57

I guess that they are not many 'real' Farmers or people who currently own Pub Companies or Restaurants on the Socialist Express! Just a bunch, of 'lucky people' that made money 'Quickly' like Dale Vince . Millionaires like Charlie Mullins have a different take, that's because he set Pilimco Plumbers up in 1979 and it was probably 20 years before the 'rewards' started to come for him !

We have a friend lovely guy multi millionaire. He spent a year out of the country to protect his money in perpetuity, as was the rule then. He's a fierce labour socialist . He's in his eighties now, luckily has a wonderful sense of humour because he really gets a ribbing from friends and family.

TheNuthatch · 12/12/2025 08:19

Good morning 😁

Thanks for the more in common polling yesterday @redange.

This week's FON polling.

Labour isn't working - Thread 23
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TheNuthatch · 12/12/2025 08:26

The latest figures published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) dealt another blow to the Chancellor’s growth agenda as new data showed production output shrank 0.5 per cent, whilst construction contracted 0.3 per cent.The all-important services sector, which is estimated to make up over 80 per cent of the economy, did not grow at all.Economists had pencilled in growth of 0.1 per cent for the month.https://www.cityam.com/uk-economy-shrank-0-1-per-cent-after-budget-chaos/

UK economy shrank 0.1 per cent in October amid Budget chaos

The UK's latest releases of economic growth data follows a tumultuous road to the Autumn Budget hampering business sentiment.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-economy-shrank-0-1-per-cent-after-budget-chaos/

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EasternStandard · 12/12/2025 08:30

TheNuthatch · 12/12/2025 08:26

The latest figures published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) dealt another blow to the Chancellor’s growth agenda as new data showed production output shrank 0.5 per cent, whilst construction contracted 0.3 per cent.The all-important services sector, which is estimated to make up over 80 per cent of the economy, did not grow at all.Economists had pencilled in growth of 0.1 per cent for the month.https://www.cityam.com/uk-economy-shrank-0-1-per-cent-after-budget-chaos/

Not a surprise. They are clueless.

DancingFerret · 12/12/2025 08:49

TheNuthatch · 12/12/2025 08:26

The latest figures published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) dealt another blow to the Chancellor’s growth agenda as new data showed production output shrank 0.5 per cent, whilst construction contracted 0.3 per cent.The all-important services sector, which is estimated to make up over 80 per cent of the economy, did not grow at all.Economists had pencilled in growth of 0.1 per cent for the month.https://www.cityam.com/uk-economy-shrank-0-1-per-cent-after-budget-chaos/

Unusually grumpy DH this morning: "Well, what did they expect?"

TheNuthatch · 12/12/2025 09:01

The Telegraph on youth unemployment. Rising fastest in G7. Also details figures of young people too ill to work. So bad.

http://archive.today/AlmgW

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TheNuthatch · 12/12/2025 09:06

Sarahconnor1 · 12/12/2025 08:28

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp7v7r28yo

Im not sure it was 'unexpected' to be honest

I love how the bbc are so eager to blame the September JLR cyber attack.
That doesn't explain the other industries shrinking in October.

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EasternStandard · 12/12/2025 09:21

TheNuthatch · 12/12/2025 09:06

I love how the bbc are so eager to blame the September JLR cyber attack.
That doesn't explain the other industries shrinking in October.

That’s a straight press release from Labour surely.

TheNuthatch · 12/12/2025 09:22

EasternStandard · 12/12/2025 09:21

That’s a straight press release from Labour surely.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....

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EasternStandard · 12/12/2025 09:27

TheNuthatch · 12/12/2025 09:22

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....

It’s a bit bloody blatant. I’m wondering how much they are relying on each other to survive. BBC needs Labour and vice versa.

They can’t ignore economic reality that much. Plus BBC are losing fee payers due to bias.

CambridgeSingers · 12/12/2025 10:17

I can’t see November being better given the budget anxiety shitshow…a surprise to who exactly, Reeves?

Parsley4321 · 12/12/2025 10:17

I’ve had a message from mumsnet threatening deletion of my account what I did say fux sake