Labour isn't working - Thread 21

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Yep, this is what happens. Cause and effect.

Hello all, I’ve come down with norovirus and I’m wondering if it’s the thought of this budget that is making me literally crap myself! (Only half joking!)

I’ve languished on the sofa today and seen the news. I don’t actually understand what’s going on. I thought a trial by your peers was enshrined in law for centuries so how can the clowns change that??

It’s also common sense that if you put up wages, employers will have to cut hours and jobs. It’s like the clowns haven’t even read the Ladybird book about economics.

I’ll be watching the budget tomorrow and pretty sure I’m going to relapse.

Yep, agree with all of that.

Sorry you're ill. Hope you feel better soon

the jury trial stuff doesn’t sit right with me either - ok for technical fraud trials an expert jury or judge
only, but in general it does make you wonder,
like with the ‘we can no longer afford to teach Latin’ why a rich country can no longer afford either a breadth of subject choice or trial by a jury of your peers.

Reeves is appearing on Martin Lewis's show next week. That'll be interesting.

I've been having a nip of brandy the last week going to bed, meant for the cake. It helps me get to sleep, so a painkiller I rationalise.

I hope it helps, for the pain obv 😉

I've had a bit more than a nip 🫣

It does indeed. More than milk and a banana 😂

Excellent article on this subject:
The minimum wage is not a cure all — we’re asking too much of business

"UK has one of the highest statutory wage floors in the OECD"

"It’s a reasonable, achievable and, in my view, desirable aim of policy that the minimum wage should guarantee that a full-time worker on it can live in decent accommodation, and have enough disposal income to enjoy life. The problem is that the minimum wage is only one of the levers that enables this — alongside how much and what type of housing a government builds, how cheap energy costs are and more besides. When you have successive governments that fail to deliver either of those things at scale, there is a limit to how much you can meaningfully improve people’s lives simply by increasing the minimum wage."

But it doesn't help raising the nmw because she takes it with the threshold freeze so it's meaningless.

It only helps people who earn way over the threshold so why do it ?

I've had half a bottle of red wine. I don't normally drink on Tuesdays. Keeping the other half for tomorrow. Suspect I'll need it.

She's hoping people won't notice. To be fair, many people don't understand and won't notice. Maybe in 5 years when they realise they're earning £20 an hour and still have the same take home.

Having spent a bit of time thinking about it now, I can see why removal of juries is a potentially terrible outcome.

It seems like a huge, huge thing to just casually change as well - it certainly wasn't on any manifesto.

I d cards removal of jury trial sounds a bit far fetched but it isn’t fucking twats

Am I dreaming to expect just 1 Labour MP to resign from the party over the Abolition of Jury Trial ! I can't believe that this is not the biggest story of the last 5 years. Instead we get the nonsense, no doubt a 'dead cat ' strategy from the Guardian at a 13 year old Nigel Farage. I thought it was Law to keep the names of those committing 'Criminal' offenses by under 18 (unless ordered by a judge) out of the public space. Therefore, even if the Farage story had any truth to it , it must be totally unacceptable to bring up 'minor' non criminal in mature behavior from a 13 year old boy.

The Labour Party and the Crown Prosecution Service, can now almost fix the outcome of 'trials' with preferred Judges who learn to the 'left'. Vance is 100% right about free speech in United Kingdom . If we end up without the right to a Jury Trial for everything under potential Life Sentence denied, we are a Banana Republic. Every single day this Government Sink Lower and Lower, nobody in the Mainstream Media has the 'Bottle' to call out, the destruction of everything that is 'Britain'

I'm happy to keep an open mind on the abolition of jury trials

Are they suggesting more than one judge - like in Germany for example?

Agree with the poster who said that if any other party had suggested it, there would be uproar. The same is probably true with a lot of things.

I have a lot of concerns about the judiciary right now, but the principle of running trials differently seems worth exploring.

Sadly, I think one of the biggest problems with jury trials is people not understanding the law. And in some cases, common sense.

Perhaps Stammer likes the idea after watching films set in 1815 or something.

In his mindset why bother with a Judge, a local 'Magistrate' as long as a Labour Party Member or affiliate would be fine. An upstanding Labour Councilor with the power to sentence a 'troublesome' non believer to 5 years Socialist Indoctrination..

Starmer......

Hello.

Oh wise people. Can someone please explain to me why RR is raising the minimum wage by double inflation when we have rising unemployment?

Am I missing something?

TIA.

I think the proposal is that a judge would sit with two lay magistrates.

Chart in the times shows min ‘living’ wage has doubled in 8 years - the govt of course benefits from rising min wages by paying out less in UC, so it’s simply another way of pushing costs onto businesses, and of course, consumers.

oh yay, doomsday has arrived. Make sure you don’t have two sheep instead of the 1 permitted etc.

And of course the government get more money from income tax as they force employers to pay employees more. What hero’s they are! If they really wanted to help ‘working people’, they would up the tax threshold.

So, you can now earn just shy of 26k, stacking shelves at the supermarket full time. You could aim for a supervisor position for not much more but all that hassle. Or you could go to uni, get in about 80k of debt (PGCE) qualify as a teacher and start on a whopping 6k more. Just to leave within 5 years if the odds are followed through. It is baffling no-one sees the issue with this. Other professional careers and middle management are available.

The wages for people who have done the right thing and got an education are not increasing. Young and people without education are too expensive to hire in comparison to those with an education and experience.

People literally do quit teaching to go and stack shelves. Less stress, much less unpaid over time. The running joke between my colleagues is that Tesco is advertising.

Yes, when you increase minimum wage like this you are engineering youth unemployment. Look at France for the cautionary tale.

These first wrung jobs will be occupied by people who have the good sense not to aim higher, to simply languish at entry level and simply collect their Labour enforced bonus each year.

And what is to happen to productivity then, when ambition and growth is inefficient and underemployment brings stress free dividends?

Was just on another thread where a poster was saying how hard it is with one earner on 100k and another on 25k with no help with childcare and the tax disincentives that go with it. The usual pile on of "suck it up", "you must be really bad at managing your money". I despair I really do. Then people saying that UC claimants being forced to work 16 hours is seen as fine but people on 100k dropping hours isn't. Can people not see that the 100k earner is self financing? This country is fucked. If they remove salary sacrifice today it will be the last straw for many.