Labour isn't working - Thread 21

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Or my personal favourite…everyone should have the same. Are Labour HQ rolling out the financially illiterate before the budget?

Hope you feel okay @justasking111 . I might see if DH wants a pub lunch too on Wednesday. He's not had a drink in 8 years. I suspect he might start up again.

Labour did this back in my parents day. It doesn't work.

That's the line. You just keep repeating it with such confidence that nobody can be arsed to challenge it.

I wonder if any of these people have ever picked up a book on communist utopias to see how the vulnerable are treated before they float it as the gold standard.

I'll send you all a picture

We might stop at an ancient church in the grave yard the fir trees throw cones that are huge. DH can hop into the field they overhang and collect some for grandchildren to decorate.

There's going to be some horrible post budget threads on here from certain people.

Which I'll not be reading.

No me neither. The budget itself will be bad enough. Sad that it's making so many of us feel ill.

I think this budget might actually finish her off going by this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15318189/Two-thirds-Brits-say-Rachel-Reeves-Budget-cut-spending-raise-taxes-prepares-splurge-3bn-year-axing-two-child-benefit-cap.html

I still feel hopeful that there might be a giant 'gotcha' from the budget. 'We floated all these horrible ideas and none of them will happen, Surprise!'.

Whereas in reality it's probably going to throw up decisions we could not even imagine.

Just found this thread, missed the previous 20 but very happy to have found this before the budget which feels like a sword hanging over us just waiting to drop...

This is new, polling on who people would vote against rather than who people would vote for. Which, to be fair, seems to be the direction of travel. It's totally unsurprising that so many people are prepared to vote against Labour and then Reform. But look, one poll that Conservatives seem to be doing pretty well in.

Welcome @Woollyguru .

I don’t think boohoo has found us yet but I agree re dc - elder one has dual nationality, the actual facts are that they could move to any high tax country now and get much better public services for their tax contributions…

I do feel the tories now they’re finally in opposition need to be hitting that message of ‘the high earners do pay and pay and pay and if we’re talking about ‘fairness’ the only way to go is increase taxes on average earners’. Or reform public services and worklessness…

yes, my dc had terrible trouble at state school, utterly failed, the number of friends and family who conveniently forgot that around the school vat stuff..it does make you look at people in a new light.

Oh at the very least I reckon they’ll steal NI on pension contributions via salary sacrifice. They reckon they can sell that all day long as so many people already don’t save enough, don’t understand it or don’t care.

I think NI on landlord income, held in personal name?

Welcome to the thread 😊👋

Just listened to Kenneth Clarke, he was pretty damning on the impact of Labour’s pre budget behaviour.

I hope Kemi can capitalise on that while the others squabble.

Welcome @Woollyguru

I think they'll hit dividend tax too. Again, it can be sold as taxing nasty rich people, and little understood.

I’d love to see Kemi come out with a strong pro business pro higher earner response to the Labour rhetoric we’ll doubtless get about fixing stuff and righting wrongs….

They’ll do that partnership stuff too for similar reasons I expect - just hitting groups they don’t care about that they can justify as fair as they’ve no understanding