Caroline Flack - she was so let down

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Just watched the documentary, it’s so sad. She was treated so awfully by the press and police.

I feel so bad for her mum and friends and family 😢

Seriously? The messages turned out to be from a middle aged client, which CF only found because she was snooping through her boyfriend’s phone without his consent

Yes, I believe I read somewhere that the messages she assumed were cheating were not at all.

I think she was so emotionally unstable by that point (plus drink and drugs) she would have found suspicion in anything

I just goggled it - the texts were from a woman in his tennis coaching class aged 60.

AGE 60.

I hope all the posters unfairly blaming his now wife feel like shit- you have smeared an innocent person. So much for #bekind

As I said, messages between Lewis and Lottie is what Caroline’s mum wanted people to think for sympathy.

Lewis cheating on Caroline with Lottie (despite not meeting her until the following year) creates public sympathy. Bashing a sleeping boyfriend over the head, because his phone had been accessed without permission, and a drunken assumption made about a 60 year old woman isn’t quite the same.

The documentary says she found texts on his phone, lost the plot and in the ensuing scrap accidentally nicked him with her phone

There was no ensuing scrap - he was asleep.

I agree. Her mum of course is grieving but I dont understand how it helps to tell flat out lies? I understand she didn't want people to think badly of her daughter but then why not talk about the importance of mental health support instead?

I am sorry but I feel her mum is behaving in a very unhealthy/ toxic manner - trying to put the blame on people who really dont deserve it.

Rightly or wrongly she does not think they’re lies

They are lies though. The messages were not from Lottie so thats a lie isnt it?

People just want to make excuses for her because she was an attractive celebrity. She was obviously in poor mental health otherwise it wouldn't have occurred to her to end her life because of this event. It was recoverable. I feel sorry for her DM, but she obviously just can't accept this and needs to blame others, which I kind of do get. Terrible for a parent.

Nobody will ever know.
I work in a role where things should be absolutely black-and-white. There should be no doubt whatsoever. Something is either a lie or it isn’t yet you would be surprised how many different grey areas there are.

yeah, I get it - you seem obsessed with making her violence acceptable and everyone else the bad guy.

I think that is incorrect and wrong.

None of us were there we will never know the truth. That’s what we all have to accept.

The London Ambulance service said at the time that they treated 2 people at the scene of which one (presumably CF) was taken to hospital. So he clearly was injured in some way however much the family would wish to airbrush this out of the narrative.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/13/caroline-flack-arrested-charged-with-assault-x-factor

Yes, this highlights even more how wrong it is to condone violence for cheating.

This exactly

She was clearly troubled but also an abusive and manipulative woman. I find the poor Caroline narrative unpleasant and sexist.

Also classist. If she’d been Tracey from the council house down the road…

WTAF? she hit the guy whilst he was asleep after going through his phone. Then cut herself when he’d called the police. In what world is this justified?

of course the press went to town, and that’s wrong and no doubt the thought of conviction in the public eye was too much for her to cope with, but really?

Me too - I am certainly not going to watch the documentary if it is just going to be making excuses for her and adorning her with a halo. She was an abuser.

Yes. I don’t think this thread would exist if Caroline was a bloke who had physically attacked his girlfriend. Ultimately she couldn’t cope with the public vilification. She knew they were going to play bwc footage at the trial which wouldn’t have shown her in a good light. Her career was over and she knew it.

Yep. Also Caroline herself text Piers Morgan about a week after it happened and said she wouldn't be coming to his Christmas party because she was in such a bad place and she couldn't believe she was getting such a hard time for "throwing a phone in anger". Obviously being the upright pillar of the community that he is Morgan just had to release them to the press after CFs death.

Also before anyone accuses me of double standards I think its outrageous that Paul Gasgoine has spent 30 years being held in such high esteem. The man should've been damned by the press for being a wife beater both then and now, but its ok because he could kick a ball. And I seeth every time Ant McPartlins smug face is on telly. Which is seemingly constant.

Well this is just silly! By this rationale, the police or the courts shouldn’t be investigating any crimes at all unless they were personally there to witness it 🫣

It’s possible to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time.

It’s not ok to hit a man if you’re a woman even though you’re unlikely to be able to kill him with your bare hands.

Similarly,

It’s not ok for children to hit adults even though they are physically weaker.

Do you get that?

It’s not ok to hit a man if you’re a woman even though you’re unlikely to be able to kill him with your bare hands.

The importance of physicality lessens when you are using an object to hit someone.

My DH is far bigger and stronger than me, if I tried to fight him I would lose. But if I hit him in the skull whilst he was sleeping with a meat cleaver I could easily kill him dead with one single blow.

If you hit your husband with a your fist or phone, he wouldn’t die.
If he hit you with his fist or a phone, you could well die.

Two women a week are murdered by men they’re in or have been in relationships with in the UK.

The case for female on male violence is no where close to that.

It’s ok to have a nuanced conversation about this because women and men’s strengths are wildly different.

It’s not different to the way we talk about child and adult violence.

There’s so much coverage of her. I guess just because she had lots of friends in media. It’s sad when someone takes their own life. She was flawed and violence isn’t acceptable. I don’t get why she’s constantly appearing in new stories.