Caroline Flack - she was so let down

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Just watched the documentary, it’s so sad. She was treated so awfully by the press and police.

I feel so bad for her mum and friends and family 😢

Sure, I know that. I am the first one to call out men for their appalling behaviour.

But I am not comfortable with minimising violence from either gender and that poster is correct, if it were a woman posting she had hit her partner I bet a lot of the responses would be "well if he's cheating he probably deserved it" etc I have actually seen this on here and its not ok either

She was a violent predator. There’s no escaping that.

But comparing male violence against women and female violence against men is not the way to condemn her appalling behaviour. Male violence against women results in 2 women a week being murdered in the uk. Let’s not minimise that.

No one else is responsible for what happened but her hit him and couldn’t face the consequences. It was completely right that she was charged. It’s terribly sad what happened to her but this making out she was the wronged party is becoming tiresome. They shouldn’t have made the documentary, it doesn’t change the facts, she committed domestic abuse.
All of the “yeah but…..” excuses are wrong, and I imagine no one would be the same if the roles were reversed.

I understand people like her mum wishing to blame someone but I don’t think it should be indulged by the media anymore. I imagine from her mum’s pov it’s easier to focus your anger on someone than face the fact that it’s just a tragedy and really the main person that set events in motion was Caroline herself.

Cynically I imagine they knew what they were doing. A one sided documentary that will cause debate (like this thread) which will increase viewers, but that they can sell to her mother as “getting Caroline’s story out”.

A more balanced “well she did hit him so it’s hardly egregious that she might be charged for something she definitely did” wouldn’t get any many viewers.

I have no idea what your point is.

But there is the body cam from the police which is as good as being there and the evidence from the inquest.

This isn’t really the point but depending where you hit someone’s head, they could die regardless of sex (on either side).

I remember being shocked they had her as the presenter of Love Island considering the verging on grooming relationship she had with a teenage boy. Appalling woman.
With her running after teenage boys and abusing her partners she had no business being anywhere near TV. To attack someone about the head when they are vulnerable and asleep is horrific, the CPS made the right choice.
I used to work in Domestic abuse, and if a case came through like this where the perp had previous with inappropriate relationships with teens, violent relationships and attacking with objects I’d class them as a predator, mental health or not.

I get you and I agree, it even makes me feel a bit weird arguing for his side because of this horrific fact: Male violence against women results in 2 women a week being murdered in the uk. Let’s not minimise that

But the excuses being made for her attack are also making me feel incredibly uncomfortable because they remind me of the EXACT same excuses men typically give for attacking women- eg "she drove me to it", "she was cheating on me!", "men were texting her phone", "my mental health made me do it" etc
I think its the excuses that sicken me - the total lack of responsibility

We can say her behaviour was abusive and predatory without comparing it to male violence.

Im not sure I'm following, I thought the incident with her boyfriend Lewis was an isolated incident - but according to the thread Caroline was a "long time abuser"? What evidence is there of this?
I was horrified watching the documentary because as I recall at the time, the things I remember from how the story was told in the papers was that Caroline had whacked him over the head with a lamp whilst he was asleep and that it had been a blood bath. There were so many memes at the time making fun of her, people outraged that she had "domestically abused her boyfriend". When it watched the documentary I saw a very different version of events - a young couple who had gone on a night out, drank an excessive amount of alcohol and were both horribly drunk. She found messages on his phones suggesting he was sending inappropriate messages to another woman and in her drunk state hit him on his head whilst holding the phone - with enough force to crack the screen but not enough to injure him. He wakes up(likely still pissed) they have an argument, he says he'll ruin her and rings the police (knowing how damaging that would be to her career? She cuts her arms/wrists - hence the blood. She's a total drunken mess, well they both are. And then things escalate.
I can see how it happened. I dont agree with what she did but I dont see how it goes from this to she's a domestic abuser. They both drank too much and made very poor decisions. She clearly struggled with her mental health and ultimately that led to her death. I can't imagine how she must have felt losing her boyfriend, job and home, and have the whole country calling you an abuser, making jokes/memes humiliating you and not being able to tell your story as it really happened. I think context was key and completely missed in the reporting and alot of it was false reporting.

This is why the guilty don’t go to prison!

It really isn’t unless you’re suggesting the police were in their bedroom at the time that the incident took place?

As a say I deal with these situations on a weekly basis and you would expect that there is one version of events and one version which is true and there simply never is. Unpalatable as that may be

I don’t see how it goes from this to she’s a domestic abuser

How many times do you have to whack your sleeping partner over the head to be considered a domestic abuser?

She admitted it on the police camera.

Before or after she’s split her wrists, Again, people say all sorts of shit in the heat of the moment
Doesn’t mean any of it’s true.

@Greyrock2828 “hit him… with enough force to crack the screen but not enough to injure him”

How do you define an injury? He was whacked with a phone leaving him with a bleeding cut on his head. Is that not an injury?

I would think that you would need to hit someone really really hard to crack the screen.

Post of the day.

I am thinking not just of the John Lennon Airport but the Ian Fleming one in Jamaica - that said, not sure Fleming was abusive but in his marriage was no saint.

And also 'that said' - I suppose these 2 men contributed something to popular culture and we can debate all day to what extent that mitigates, and was the full extent of their misdemeanours known when said airports were renamed etc. Flack hosted Love Island which really does seem like a dodgy programme to me.

PS Obliged to out myself as a bloke on this post.

why on earth was she advised to plead not guilty if she didnt want all the evidence to come out in court and ruin her career

If he wasn't injured why did the London Ambulance Service state they treated him at the scene?

@Lunde they attended because they were called to attend. What treatment did he require? Magic sponge? He didn't have stitches. There's photos on the Internet for all to see.
If my other half cheated on me I'd probably do alot worse.

@Greyrock2828 Wouldn’t you let your other half explain himself first before you attacked him? Then you’d find out there was an explanation and he hadn’t cheated.

If my partner was just given a caution for assaulting me with a mobile phone and leaving a mark (injury) I would expect them to be charged. The law needs to change if all they get after a first offence is a caution. Absolutely disgraceful