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Labour isn't working - Thread 20

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TheNuthatch · 17/11/2025 11:40

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

We are bracing for the budget. 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Parsley4321 · 22/11/2025 22:48

@TheNuthatch so so sorry to hear your news these uneducated people have too much power 😢

SouthernAccents · 22/11/2025 23:01

Daily Mail owner DMGT has struck a £500mn deal to buy rival newspaper The Telegraph in a tie-up that would create one of the most powerful right-leaning media groups in Britain.

Right now, I see this as nothing but positive.

Night, night…

redange · 22/11/2025 23:07

Rachel Reeves to give EV buyers' grant £1.3bn boost in Budget amid pay-per-mile rumours - Daily Record

The Idiot strikes again, does nobody in Government understand car companies are giving up to 25% of RRP of EV's . What £4K grant therefore is a payment to Car companies, to artificially raise 'Prices'.

(are the SPAD's that advise really really dim or more likely Lazy Bastards who don't do any research when proposing ideas) Then there is her opinion what a Luxury Car is . She just has her own preconceived ideas about anything without having any actual knowledge and not engaging with those that do know !

Reeves to give EV buyers' grant £1.3bn boost in Budget amid pay-per-mile rumours

The Chancellor seems set to boost the scheme that knocks up to £3,750 off the price of an electric vehicle.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/rachel-reeves-give-ev-buyers-36291801

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DancingFerret · 22/11/2025 23:31

Al Carns is being mooted as a replacement for KS. Makes a change from Burnham, I suppose, but he's not an identifiable blip on my radar. Anyone?

https://archive.ph/qHCxd

justasking111 · 23/11/2025 00:23

DancingFerret · 22/11/2025 23:31

Al Carns is being mooted as a replacement for KS. Makes a change from Burnham, I suppose, but he's not an identifiable blip on my radar. Anyone?

https://archive.ph/qHCxd

He's a babe in arms politically.

SpaceRaccoon · 23/11/2025 01:35

@TheNuthatch I'm so bloody sorry.

ProfessorDrPrunesqualer · 23/11/2025 01:48

Boohoo76 · 22/11/2025 21:04

Same here. I’m NC with my brother now but my dad is just as bad. He feels his is entitled to the same lifestyle as me but has also admitted that he couldn’t be bothered to make any effort with a career. I’ve just been put forward for promotion at work in a job that I’ve been in for less than a year but I haven’t told him because it will just wind him up.

Surprise Wow GIF

Isn’t that so sad that we can’t celebrate our achievements with those we are the closest too

On here though
Its a huge congratulations 💐

percypiggy200 · 23/11/2025 05:14

Congratulations @Boohoo76!!

In other news Lakshmi Mittal - one of the UK’s richest men - has relocated to Switzerland and Dubai.

I also saw that there were 18 IPOs in 2024 - compared with 126 in 2021. There are now more IPOs in Mexico and Indonesia.

from the spectator -

In 2006, at its fundraising peak, $51 billion was raised on the London Stock Exchange, with companies such as Unilever and Vodafone making London their home. This year, London IPOs raised just $250 million.

CandidLurker · 23/11/2025 05:32

Telegraph reporting over 6,000 Company Directors have left the UK in the past 12 months. Up 42% from the previous year.

Rivalled · 23/11/2025 05:33

Yes what’s happening to the London stock market isn’t getting nearly enough attention.

on the right wing press - we’ve never been more highly taxed on a personal level, and it’s very much time the narrative on fairness was corrected.

yes @Boohoo76 I’ve got similar friends and family, who’ve worked part time or not at all for years and then angry they don’t have a decent retirement in prospect and that they have to work at all…it’s good experience for the dc though, ‘well aunt x spent 20 years not working between ages 28-48, it’s not surprising her pension isn’t going to be good…’

Rivalled · 23/11/2025 05:34

It’s not really the capitalist system that’s broken if people are spending a huge chunk of active working life not working.

percypiggy200 · 23/11/2025 05:50

I’m really tempted to start a new thread, maybe AIBU, to ask if people would really support a wealth tax even if it led to no increase in revenue and, if so, why? I want to see what people’s reasoning would be. Maybe I’m a masochist!

MrsMurphyIWish · 23/11/2025 05:54

@TheNuthatch I’m so sorry to hear if your news. I hope you managed to get some sleep.

SouthernAccents · 23/11/2025 05:57

percypiggy200 · 23/11/2025 05:50

I’m really tempted to start a new thread, maybe AIBU, to ask if people would really support a wealth tax even if it led to no increase in revenue and, if so, why? I want to see what people’s reasoning would be. Maybe I’m a masochist!

If you do, you can count on my support.

Boohoo76 · 23/11/2025 06:01

Rivalled · 23/11/2025 05:33

Yes what’s happening to the London stock market isn’t getting nearly enough attention.

on the right wing press - we’ve never been more highly taxed on a personal level, and it’s very much time the narrative on fairness was corrected.

yes @Boohoo76 I’ve got similar friends and family, who’ve worked part time or not at all for years and then angry they don’t have a decent retirement in prospect and that they have to work at all…it’s good experience for the dc though, ‘well aunt x spent 20 years not working between ages 28-48, it’s not surprising her pension isn’t going to be good…’

Yes, we do use it as an example to our DC as to what happens if you don’t make an effort. My 15 year old was delighted when I told him about being put forward for promotion. He goes to a very selective state grammar where everyone wants to be the best so it’s second nature to him. I’m just sad that I don’t feel like there is any future in this country for him. Well, actually, I feel like this country doesn’t deserve him and his super talented school friends.

SouthernAccents · 23/11/2025 06:38

FT

At James Leng’s business in Redditch, Worcestershire, activity has been subdued for the past three months, ever since Rachel Reeves set the Budget date for November 26. Amid rampant speculation about which taxes the UK chancellor will raise on Wednesday, Pre-Met — a maker of metal stamps and springs for more than a century — has delayed new machinery purchases and put off hiring. “It’s like flying an aircraft and watching the fuel gauge gradually drop without knowing exactly when you’re going to be called to land,” Leng said. “Ongoing uncertainty means the story for business is pretty dark.”

He is not alone: chief executives across the UK have said the long lead-in to the Budget and high-profile U-turns have hit confidence and scuppered growth opportunities before the chancellor opens her red box. Their comments have come as industry surveys and official data show drops in spending, hiring and construction activity — and pauses in planned investment — in the past few months…

strawberrybubblegum · 23/11/2025 06:44

percypiggy200 · 23/11/2025 05:50

I’m really tempted to start a new thread, maybe AIBU, to ask if people would really support a wealth tax even if it led to no increase in revenue and, if so, why? I want to see what people’s reasoning would be. Maybe I’m a masochist!

They will undoubtedly talk about gini index, and that income inequality correlates with lower happiness, without any appreciation of other differences between the countries being mentioned. They will have no answer to - and will ignore any questions about - the destruction of people's lives in communist and socialist countries. No understanding that the lifestyle they take for granted is funded by the productivity of the few, or willingness to consider the consequences of attacking that productivity.

Might be interesting to see how they respond to the latest thing that higher earners pay scandi-level taxes and get US-level public services - we've been saying similar for a while, but that crystallises the problem nicely. But they'll probably say we're being selfish, and trot out the usual Labour soundbites about having to make up for Tory austerity, and that we can afford it and they can't.

I'm maybe a bit of a masochist too, because I kind of want the confirmation. But I warn you, it won't be pretty and will likely reinforce your thinking that the UK is doomed. At the start of the private school vat threads, I was hoping to inform: I genuinely thought it must be lack of information making people support something so wrong and stupid. Those threads changed my understanding of UK people and our relationship with the rest of society. Various threads since have reinforced that, although might not have done it alone if I hadn't heard so much vitriol and hate against my family in the education threads. I suppose clear understanding is a good thing - and allows us to make better choices - but it's painful.

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 06:55

strawberrybubblegum · 23/11/2025 06:44

They will undoubtedly talk about gini index, and that income inequality correlates with lower happiness, without any appreciation of other differences between the countries being mentioned. They will have no answer to - and will ignore any questions about - the destruction of people's lives in communist and socialist countries. No understanding that the lifestyle they take for granted is funded by the productivity of the few, or willingness to consider the consequences of attacking that productivity.

Might be interesting to see how they respond to the latest thing that higher earners pay scandi-level taxes and get US-level public services - we've been saying similar for a while, but that crystallises the problem nicely. But they'll probably say we're being selfish, and trot out the usual Labour soundbites about having to make up for Tory austerity, and that we can afford it and they can't.

I'm maybe a bit of a masochist too, because I kind of want the confirmation. But I warn you, it won't be pretty and will likely reinforce your thinking that the UK is doomed. At the start of the private school vat threads, I was hoping to inform: I genuinely thought it must be lack of information making people support something so wrong and stupid. Those threads changed my understanding of UK people and our relationship with the rest of society. Various threads since have reinforced that, although might not have done it alone if I hadn't heard so much vitriol and hate against my family in the education threads. I suppose clear understanding is a good thing - and allows us to make better choices - but it's painful.

100%. The Education Tax threads really opened my eyes to how much the Left really hate anyone who dares to go outside the state. I know we had pretty much the same experience on those threads!
That completely shifted my world view to be honest and made me realise how small minded and nasty many on the Left are. The past 18 months has solidified my move away from the Left and hardened my resolve to protect my family and move us as far away from the state as possible.

They have no reasoning other than if 1 person hasn't got something then noone should have it. They genuinely don't care about growth/improving the economy etc. Their only aim is that everyone should be the same and have the same and do the same.

LeakyRad · 23/11/2025 06:59

Their only aim is that everyone should be the same and have the same and do the same.

And think the same.

OrangesCinammonIvy · 23/11/2025 07:18

@twistyizzy imagine being the brain washed child of one when you were desperate unhappy at school and an outsider ,sister in grammar ,you didn't get in and your parents could afford private but chose not to on principle?

True story on here.

percypiggy200 · 23/11/2025 07:22

I’ve put it on AIBU but no idea how to link it here.

strawberrybubblegum · 23/11/2025 07:22

We were comrades in arms @twistyizzy 💐

Yes, they did likewise make me realise quite how nasty the Left is. They really managed a PR coup when the dubbed the Conservatives 'the Nasty party' - absolute DARVO!

MantleStatue · 23/11/2025 07:27

Agree 100% @twistyizzy and @strawberrybubblegum . The VAT threads made me realise how much venom and spite exists. And how there was such venom directed towards parents of SEN kids who had genuinely been failed by the system and whose parents in desperation went private.

But, I think my disenchantment started during some of the covid threads. My child is medically extremely vulnerable and when I would express worry about covid I was told both on MN and in real life that children like mine would have just died at birth 100 years ago so why were we bothering to protect them now. I mean- i was LITERALLY told that in one actual conversation with another parent in real life.

DH has always said he admired the US approach to things. A belief that bettering oneself is a good and desirable thing. Here there is the desire to limit everyone and to restrain anyone from ambition.

Like others when i was growing up we had family who heartily resented my parents getting along in life. They became a teacher and a nurse and remained so for their careers. They scrimped and saved and when they paid off their mortgage when I was a teen they bought a tiny holiday house that eventually became the place they retired to. Their siblings (one side exclusively live off benefits due to gaming the system- apparently too ill to work but okay to do things like bricklaying for cash in hand for example) have been open with their envy and spite. One of my aunts says that my mother is 'just a rich stuck up bitch' and they all had their hands out for money my mother out of misplaced guilt would give them. It feels like the small example of my family is representative now not just of wider society but also the government. People who do their best and who 'do the right thing' are being clobbered. Vilified. Hated. And this hatred is being fostered and nurtured by a Government who promised to govern for all.

MantleStatue · 23/11/2025 07:30

OrangesCinammonIvy · 23/11/2025 07:18

@twistyizzy imagine being the brain washed child of one when you were desperate unhappy at school and an outsider ,sister in grammar ,you didn't get in and your parents could afford private but chose not to on principle?

True story on here.

Oh and on this point. Our neighbours have 5 children. One of the children off her own bat researched academic scholarships to the private school my children go to. She applied secretly and won a FULL scholarship.

Her parents refused to let her go. Because they 'on principle' object to independent schooling. I found that so selfish. She's done okay though, but I cannot imagine how she feels that her own parents sabotaged her own dreams like that.

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