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Fancy cars for disabled people

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LemaxObsessive · 16/11/2025 19:23

Motability.

I am sick to absolute death of seeing people saying on various threads, that Motability vehicles are “given” to us disabled people “for free”.

PIP is awarded in 2 separate elements.

  1. Daily Living (day to day care needs etc)
  2. Mobility
Each element is paid at different rates depending on how affected by your disability you are (and yes, medical evidence is required). However, to be eligible for Motability, you need to be getting the highest rate of the Mobility element. This is currently £77.05 per week (which works out at £308.20 per 4 weeks or £333.88 per month).

When you join Motability you agree for the DWP to give Motability that £77.05 per week instead of it being paid to your bank. If you also receive the Daily Living element of PIP then you will still receive that directly.

You ALSO, in most cases, have to pay an advance payment (AP) for the vehicle. The better the vehicle, the higher the AP. You do not get the AP back.
The £77.05 per week pays for the lease of the car, insurance, roadside assistance, tyres & windshield cover. Disabled people in receipt of the highest rate of the PIP mobility element are already exempt from road tax.

With regards to the ‘fancy’ cars such as BMW, Audi & Mercedes, as you can imagine all of these have a whopping great AP in the multiple thousands of pounds; Which as I said, you don’t get back.
The taxpayer is not paying a penny towards these vehicles besides the fact that Motability don’t currently pay VAT which I believe is up for discussion.

I think a really important point to make here is that PIP is categorically not means tested (even millionaires can claim it, provided their health meets the criteria) and is not paid to replace a disabled person’s income! In other words, people do not live off PIP instead of working, it is paid to cover the added costs associated with being disabled. Costs non-disabled people likely have never even considered, such as cleaners when we can’t do it, basic gardening when we can’t do it, extra electricity for when medical equipment is used at home, ready meals when we’re bed-bound, delivery charges for every single thing we buy because click & collect isn't possible, taxis to work because the bus always already has a wheelchair user on it, along with lots of other small but mounting costs we have zero choice but to pay because the alternative isn’t an option for us. The lowest rate of PIP is just £29.20 per week so we’re not talking big money!

Millions of PIP claimants work full time but crucially, couldn’t do so without PIP and in many cases, without Motability!

As I said above, even wealthy people are eligible to claim PIP to cover the added costs associated with their disability and they can, if they receive the highest rate of the Mobility Component of PIP choose to use Motability. If they want to spend £7,999 plus £77.05 per week to lease an Audi Q4 for 3 years then they can but not many do because it’s a lot of money to have nothing to show for it after 3 years.

So no, nobody is being ‘given free BMWs, Audis or Mercedes’ regardless of what’s being said by anyone!

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Marshmallow4545 · 17/11/2025 09:01

x2boys · 17/11/2025 08:59

Well of course that's the case ,but PIP has very specific criteria and if you don't meet them ,you dont meet them also its about how the condition impacts a person.
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Edited

Tough shit basically!

If you meet the criteria then you can use the money to subsidise a luxury car that the whole family can use.
If you don't then you get nothing. You will be expected to live on a lower level of benefit and work to pay taxes to fund the people with the luxury family car.

The fact that you might just have filled in the form slightly differently and not described your situation as well as someone using the numerous videos and websites online to make your claim compelling is completely irrelevant I guess. The whole system stinks and is unsustainable

Urmam · 17/11/2025 09:04

Marshmallow4545 · 17/11/2025 09:01

Tough shit basically!

If you meet the criteria then you can use the money to subsidise a luxury car that the whole family can use.
If you don't then you get nothing. You will be expected to live on a lower level of benefit and work to pay taxes to fund the people with the luxury family car.

The fact that you might just have filled in the form slightly differently and not described your situation as well as someone using the numerous videos and websites online to make your claim compelling is completely irrelevant I guess. The whole system stinks and is unsustainable

Exactly!

Minty25 · 17/11/2025 09:04

Marshmallow4545 · 17/11/2025 09:01

Tough shit basically!

If you meet the criteria then you can use the money to subsidise a luxury car that the whole family can use.
If you don't then you get nothing. You will be expected to live on a lower level of benefit and work to pay taxes to fund the people with the luxury family car.

The fact that you might just have filled in the form slightly differently and not described your situation as well as someone using the numerous videos and websites online to make your claim compelling is completely irrelevant I guess. The whole system stinks and is unsustainable

They need to get back to face to face assessments for a start.

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Elleherd · 17/11/2025 09:09

Marshmallow4545 · 17/11/2025 08:02

Its unaffordable as it is It absolutely cannot be widened. We need to think of a new way that meets people's basic needs, facilitates work but doesn't fund luxuries like fancy cars or holidays. We simply can't afford to do this for anyone, disabled or not.

The motability allowance does exactly what you want it to for people like me.
It varies monthly between mainly and partially meeting the basic need of leveling up how much extra it costs to work as a disabled person, and no more.
My vehicle is 30 plus years old, I don't get holidays or luxuries from the assistance I get.

Others are in better positions to start with, so can use exactly the same allowance better than I can, just as some people are able to put some of their child benefit allowance into savings for their children, (a luxury) while others are keeping the lights on with the same amount. (a modern necessity)

It costs the same regardless, so really it's the optics and the idea someone might have something they don't, that upsets so many.

Nowadays I'm frequently told the country just can't afford people like me to exist.

If there's this much extra cost to me working, then I shouldn't be let, let alone supported to. I'm taking work 'others' (I assume more worthwhile able bodied) could be taking. But if I am to be expected to survive on benefits through not working, then it should be at a lowest quality of life rate because I shouldn't in any way 'profit' through being disabled, because others aren't quite as disabled and aren't being helped, so I should only scrape by.

Yet I do useful work, about half of which helps others to maintain better levels of fragile MH which lowers their costs to society, and also work (both paid and voluntarily) with others at the bottom who have fallen clean through safety nets, which damages and costs both society, and them.

Can 'the country' actually afford to not have people like me?

Knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing, lowers quality for all.

youalright · 17/11/2025 09:10

Minty25 · 17/11/2025 08:57

Actually you can believe what you wish but I see quite a lot of older people in this situation ! The old DLA mobility seems to have been given out very easily. In my job role I often go to see older people who have been on DLA mobility for years on end ( often with the motorbility car ) and now have more care needs and want to be assessed for the care component side of DLA or try to get the care component increased so I go out to help them fill out the forms. I was particularly shocked by one old guy I went to do a Home visit on. He had forgotten to get his national insurance number ready and said he needed to get it from upstairs. He was up and down those stairs faster than I could have gone ( no stair lift ). And yes motorbility car in the drive. These older people have not been re-assessed for years and never will be now. The criteria for DLA was hugely easier to get than PIP and this group of people never switched to PIP and have just kept the same award for years on end without re-assessment. the whole system needs a shake up.

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So as a professional you are helping people commit fraud

Kendodd · 17/11/2025 09:15

Elleherd · 16/11/2025 23:55

Happy to explain again but please do read my post properly. I don't have a motability car. I drive an ancient very not posh F reg vehicle which is what I can afford to run. I paid for it and it's adaptations and pay to keep it running from my wages. It is the additional disability related costs of it and my wheelchair that mobility allowance is for.

I responded to: do so many people need additional mobility funding?

with Born visibly disabled, developed additional disabilities over time.
Self employed (no one wants to give me a job) wheelchair, several physical disabilities, no motability vehicle.

Simply can't pay my own way without additional mobility funding as being this disabled is actually expensive.

Yes I need additional mobility funding to be able to work. I do not make enough to compete with the able bodied while paying premium rates that they don't have to. PIP mobility allowance is there .to help level that playing field

Others are exchanging all of that that same allowance for a motability vehicle.

That mobility payment has to help cover everything additional to do with my vehicle and wheelchair as a result of disability. My wages cover the basics, same as everyone else.
I work hard and long hours but cannot make enough money to run and insure a vehicle and still pay my rent, CT, food etc. My life and expenses are much more expensive simply because I'm disabled, and the mobility allowance is supposed to help towards closing the gap between me and you as workers.

Much of of what normal motorists have to pay for, is a premium charge for me because I'm disabled.
Additionally most can commute, park up for free, then take a bus or walk a bit for work, and don't have additional costs of frequent hospital trips and subsequent parking, just to remain viable for work.

A vehicle isn't just to get to and from work, it allows me to get to contractors and source and buy materials and deliver projects, and workshops, and helps with the constant fines I have to pay when unable to get to and move my vehicle in time, to a new spot every three hours while working.
I have to be able to park close, not because I'm lazy, but because I tear myself apart getting to and from the vehicle as well as in and out of it.

I don't get lunch breaks etc, because I must trade them for time spent moving the vehicle, and circling, praying for a new space to open up. It's exhausting and impacts my productivity, so i work extra hours unpaid to cover that.

The NHS can only operate on me so much to repair the damage. (during which time my mobility allowance is often stopped)

One of my work places parking restrictions and the requirement to move every three hours, starts at 9am and goes to 11pm, 6 days a week.
Just one parking ticket paid at reduced rate for swift payment, is more than my whole weekly mobility allowance, and I'm then working at a loss seeking extra hours at any pay rate to cover it.
My bosses (and actually hospitals) don't always give me carte blanche to go move when I need to, so I quite frequently get caught between them and revenue hungry councils.
Reasonable adjustment, is being allowed to trade my breaks for vehicle repositioning.

Where you might wear your shoes out and need them resoled, my working shoe leather is replacing wheelchair tires, wheels, bearings and brakes, every few months, (though for transparency, they are fitted for me for free unless in emergency, when I have to pay a minimum £160 plus parts, for a wheelchair technician call out) as well as compulsory theft and PL insurance on my wheelchair. It is prohibitively expensive for me to be mobile and competing with the able bodied for work opportunities, which is why I am awarded a mobility allowance to make working more possible.

On average I'm racking up extra disability related mobility costs of between £65 and £180 a week. Some weeks the allowance means I'm winning, some I'm losing heavily.
Mobility allowance is given to me, and I spread it back into the economy.
While most where furloughed during Covid, I was working (immuno compromised) providing services. The government was my indirect employer, (an approved contractor was creaming some of it) way fewer fines, less driving time, (clear roads) and I still didn't earn quite enough for it to be financially viable without mobility assistance.

Take mobility allowance away and I simply can't afford to work so would have to resort to UC just to continue surviving, and would be kissing independence goodbye.
I hope that helps you understand the life of some disabled mobility allowance recipients better, and also why people like me might rather roll our eyes (not at you) at some assertions and apparent envy around people like me,

Yes, thank you.
Somebody explained earlier that you needed an adapted vehicle and didn't earn enough. If it was just an ordinary car, you could have afford that from your wages (as even low paid workers do as just normal commuting costs) but an adapted vehicle tips the balance to unaffordablity.

Minty25 · 17/11/2025 09:16

youalright · 17/11/2025 09:10

So as a professional you are helping people commit fraud

No not at all because when they are sent the form it is only looking at the care component and they do not re-assess the mobility. I'm thankfully leaving the job soon.

Kendodd · 17/11/2025 09:18

Elleherd · 17/11/2025 00:41

Except I didn't say that at all. You somehow misread:

Born visibly disabled, developed additional disabilities over time.
Self employed (no one wants to give me a job) wheelchair, several physical disabilities, no motability vehicle.
Simply can't pay my own way without additional mobility funding as being this disabled is actually expensive.
Two options:

  1. help me be able to access paid work so I am not on UC and as a bonus do something useful for society..
  2. Take away mobility funding, put me on UC, and make me stay at home doing nothing and not doing something useful.

and turned it into:

  1. Mobility car = go to work.
  2. No mobility car = go on UC

I'm not having a go at you, I'm interested in how on threads like this, posters do hugely misread things into other things. I think we may be programed to find things that match pre-conceptions, regardless of what's actually said?

Sorry, I was just simplifying. I agree that meant some context was stripped out.

Marshmallow4545 · 17/11/2025 09:18

Elleherd · 17/11/2025 09:09

The motability allowance does exactly what you want it to for people like me.
It varies monthly between mainly and partially meeting the basic need of leveling up how much extra it costs to work as a disabled person, and no more.
My vehicle is 30 plus years old, I don't get holidays or luxuries from the assistance I get.

Others are in better positions to start with, so can use exactly the same allowance better than I can, just as some people are able to put some of their child benefit allowance into savings for their children, (a luxury) while others are keeping the lights on with the same amount. (a modern necessity)

It costs the same regardless, so really it's the optics and the idea someone might have something they don't, that upsets so many.

Nowadays I'm frequently told the country just can't afford people like me to exist.

If there's this much extra cost to me working, then I shouldn't be let, let alone supported to. I'm taking work 'others' (I assume more worthwhile able bodied) could be taking. But if I am to be expected to survive on benefits through not working, then it should be at a lowest quality of life rate because I shouldn't in any way 'profit' through being disabled, because others aren't quite as disabled and aren't being helped, so I should only scrape by.

Yet I do useful work, about half of which helps others to maintain better levels of fragile MH which lowers their costs to society, and also work (both paid and voluntarily) with others at the bottom who have fallen clean through safety nets, which damages and costs both society, and them.

Can 'the country' actually afford to not have people like me?

Knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing, lowers quality for all.

So do you support means testing PIP and using the money we save elsewhere? For example we can use it to fund better MH treatment in the NHS or even better, pay down some of our debt so future generations aren't burdened with crippling interest payments that will severely limit the help they can offer future people in your position.

x2boys · 17/11/2025 09:20

Marshmallow4545 · 17/11/2025 09:01

Tough shit basically!

If you meet the criteria then you can use the money to subsidise a luxury car that the whole family can use.
If you don't then you get nothing. You will be expected to live on a lower level of benefit and work to pay taxes to fund the people with the luxury family car.

The fact that you might just have filled in the form slightly differently and not described your situation as well as someone using the numerous videos and websites online to make your claim compelling is completely irrelevant I guess. The whole system stinks and is unsustainable

Do you think everybody with any kind of condition should be eligible for HRM?
Is that really what.you are saying
My autistic son has one ,but autism is a huge spectrum, most people with autism won't be eligible, my son is 15 and currently eligible on DLA as he has severe mental impairment he can't speak at all he functions at around a toddler level when he transfers to PIP next year ,there's no way he can plan and navigate a journey so his award should remain the same but many people with autism can live independently etc and are of at least average intelligence.

Elleherd · 17/11/2025 09:20

TheQuirkyMaker · 17/11/2025 08:35

I was joking! I wish I hadn't said it now.

Sorry Flowers and noted. I also took you seriously, because that's where the world is at right now, with people actually going as far as openly stating they want disabled and older people all re-institutionalized to reduce costs etc at which point awarding even shoddy vehicles seems vaguely generous.
But actually I'm glad you said it, because many do actually believe it, and aren't saying it ironically.

youalright · 17/11/2025 09:20

Minty25 · 17/11/2025 09:16

No not at all because when they are sent the form it is only looking at the care component and they do not re-assess the mobility. I'm thankfully leaving the job soon.

Edited

If you're certain someone is wrongly claiming mobility you have a duty as a professional to report this. Choosing not to and then writing about individual claimants on social media is unprofessional.

bottledboot · 17/11/2025 09:21

Because they are also tax payers, and probably at higher level.

Can you really say that? A lot of wealth doesn't come from income.

Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 09:22

youalright · 17/11/2025 09:10

So as a professional you are helping people commit fraud

What is your problem?

You followed me around this thread accusing me of lying, and then someone comments that actually, my grandmother’s siutation isn’t that unusual and rather than just accepting that it happens and moving on, here you are, accusing them of helping people commit fraud.

Have a day off, love.

LadyKenya · 17/11/2025 09:23

Urmam · 17/11/2025 07:37

But lots of disabled people who need cars don't get any help. PIP is a fairly inconsistent system and lots of people don't get any award yet struggle every day.

That is why the whole system needs reform, imo. The process of claiming for PIP, is quite difficult to navigate, and knowing how to get any difficulties down on paper, is not as easy as it sounds. The assessment process is flawed imo. The assessors are not consistent, and may have limited knowledge of the range of disabilities that they are presented with.

Kirbert2 · 17/11/2025 09:24

Marshmallow4545 · 17/11/2025 09:01

Tough shit basically!

If you meet the criteria then you can use the money to subsidise a luxury car that the whole family can use.
If you don't then you get nothing. You will be expected to live on a lower level of benefit and work to pay taxes to fund the people with the luxury family car.

The fact that you might just have filled in the form slightly differently and not described your situation as well as someone using the numerous videos and websites online to make your claim compelling is completely irrelevant I guess. The whole system stinks and is unsustainable

If you believe you meet the criteria and the decision is wrong, you can fight against that decision.

If you need assistance to help fill in the forms because they are overwhelming and difficult then you can get assistance.

It isn't the fault of someone else on PIP if another person isn't awarded PIP but then chooses not to fight against the decision if they believe the decision is wrong or not to get assistance with help filling the forms.

TheQuirkyMaker · 17/11/2025 09:24

Elleherd · 17/11/2025 09:20

Sorry Flowers and noted. I also took you seriously, because that's where the world is at right now, with people actually going as far as openly stating they want disabled and older people all re-institutionalized to reduce costs etc at which point awarding even shoddy vehicles seems vaguely generous.
But actually I'm glad you said it, because many do actually believe it, and aren't saying it ironically.

Those 'cars' were deathtraps! I believe the very first one was made by an amateur for a family member, with good intentions, but the roll-out of thousands was madly ill-judged.

Elleherd · 17/11/2025 09:28

@TheQuirkyMaker Totally.

Minty25 · 17/11/2025 09:28

youalright · 17/11/2025 09:20

If you're certain someone is wrongly claiming mobility you have a duty as a professional to report this. Choosing not to and then writing about individual claimants on social media is unprofessional.

Oh do fuck off ! This is an anonymous forum. What is your problem? It is the claimants responsibility to ask for what part of a DLA form they want re-assessing. i just help fill out the bloody form and have to write what THEY say not what I observe. I have no choice in this. I'll be glad to be finishing the bloody job it causes me angst and dilemmas every single day.

youalright · 17/11/2025 09:30

Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 09:22

What is your problem?

You followed me around this thread accusing me of lying, and then someone comments that actually, my grandmother’s siutation isn’t that unusual and rather than just accepting that it happens and moving on, here you are, accusing them of helping people commit fraud.

Have a day off, love.

My problem is I'm sick and tired of anytime there is a thread on mumsnet about disability suddenly everyone knows their neighbours, relatives and the random bloke 2 streets away full medical history and financial situation. In real life this is not a thing. No I don't believe 99% of these stories that people tell. If someone knows people commiting fraud report them but the reality is you don't know there situation. People seem to think you can just ring dla or pip up and say my knee hurts and they say no problem heres a BMW. It doesn't work like that and anyone who has filled out a pip form knows this.

HellsBellsAndCatsWhiskers · 17/11/2025 09:31

youalright · 17/11/2025 09:20

If you're certain someone is wrongly claiming mobility you have a duty as a professional to report this. Choosing not to and then writing about individual claimants on social media is unprofessional.

You're just hounding this poster for your own enjoyment. Is it boredom? Sad life? Nothing else to do?

I cant stand bullies like you. No where did they say they were helping people commit fraud. Why dont you just go away and do something useful with your time/life?

youalright · 17/11/2025 09:32

Minty25 · 17/11/2025 09:28

Oh do fuck off ! This is an anonymous forum. What is your problem? It is the claimants responsibility to ask for what part of a DLA form they want re-assessing. i just help fill out the bloody form and have to write what THEY say not what I observe. I have no choice in this. I'll be glad to be finishing the bloody job it causes me angst and dilemmas every single day.

Edited

Anonymous you gave quite a lot of details or do you go to a lot of elderly men's homes who forget there ni numbers and have to run upstairs to get them.

Minty25 · 17/11/2025 09:33

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youalright · 17/11/2025 09:33

HellsBellsAndCatsWhiskers · 17/11/2025 09:31

You're just hounding this poster for your own enjoyment. Is it boredom? Sad life? Nothing else to do?

I cant stand bullies like you. No where did they say they were helping people commit fraud. Why dont you just go away and do something useful with your time/life?

She is helping people fill out disability forms

youalright · 17/11/2025 09:34

Its amazing how many people on here who hate anyone on benefits and don't want to pay tax for them aren't at work at 9.30 on a monday and have stayed up all night posting on a thread

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