Labour isn't working - Thread 18

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Bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I don't know how many times I've seen posters on MN say the majority of universal credit claims are among those who are in low paid work. That clearly isn't the case. This graph shows how wrong that claim is - apparently there are still 800k on legacy benefits but this is a very telling graph in the Telegraph and a clear demonstration of why this is unsustainable.

^^You have to click on the picture to see the number of in work claimants, the number is so relatively low that it is cropped from the bottom unless you do.

That's what I meant.
Starmer's team playing their last trump.

Bloody hell. That graph is stark and certainly puts paid to the myth that most benefits are in-work (not that that's great either in all cases, I mean how nice must it be to get a full-time salary for part-time hours).

It's like they're just papping everyone onto the disability pathway. Which means far more generous benefits, and far greater cost.

Not too sure about Rayner.

She was suspended by Unite and their new boss called her all sorts of names, none of them pleasant.

It is easy to make the case that Labour + LibDems would prefer a revolution that damages middle class Britain because some people have got richer than others.
They prefer to give money to the work-shy so that they receive nearly as much as people who work full time on Min Wage jobs.
They hang NetZero round our necks where other countries are not burdened. Russia, China, India, USA.
They give away Chagos Islands and a bundle of money.
The Left don't like us do they?

It's like they're just papping everyone onto the disability pathway. Which means far more generous benefits, and far greater cost

Just out of curiosity, who do you mean by "they" and why do you think "they" would do this?

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Before that terrifies the life out of anyone, that only puts the Greens on 12 seats.

Here's that seat projection, here.

I think the Conservatives are on for a win at the next election. Labour obviously they are finished. Reform will destroy themselves in the next couple of years. Implode I expect. Greens well they’ll get a few more votes but everyone knows they’re pitiful with no economic sense whatsoever. So all we need to do is hang tight, hoard our rights and any cash we have left, and wait.

Yes, I am hopeful that the Tories could lure back their disgruntled voters from Reform with some sensible fiscal policy and, well, you know generally being conservative. And that Labour voters might be persuaded to vote conservative in protest of Reform. Obviously that will take years to engineer that level of good will from the general public but time isn't really a problem here.

Never interrupt your enemy whilst they are making a mistake.

As I see it, whilst the current psychodrama is great viewing for many of us, we still have to live with the policy consequences of this miserable government, in the interim.

I would therefore be happy for things to get demonstrably worse, if it accelerates their exit (or more probably, their being hamstrung by the markets and/or the electorate).

More water torture is the last thing we need.

To that end, may the 26th prove a clusterfuck of monumental proportions.

To that end, may the 26th prove a clusterfuck of monumental proportions

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Is that meant for me? It was just a question. Ah well.

‘time isn't really a problem here.’

Made me laugh 😆 (or I’d cry)

So true on the first line.

Agree on the rest too and the water torture.

LOL, soz.

I think I was smashing the keyboard when I typed that.

I get these sudden rushes of anger.

This was good from Steph in today’s TRIM when Robert asked her about abolishing the 2 child cap:

“I am a big believer in progress and growth and prosperity coming not from how big benefits are that you could receive, but how much opportunity there is to work and how much help there is around childcare and things like that. So for me, politically, my view is, and you know, there'll be people who'll scream at me for this, I think, is about rather than giving money, more money to people with bigger families, is make it easier for people with families to be able to work and good work that pays well. And therefore, you don't need the state in order to subsidize you having a bigger family.

And that's kind of always been my view. You know, I grew up at a time when I was at school with girls who'd be like, I can't wait to get pregnant and have a get a council flat. And that was their ambition, because we weren't told enough in the area growing up.

I think my school is a bit different, but there wasn't that ambition given to, hey, do you want to run a company one day? Or do you know what? It is hard trying to balance having kids and work, but actually we're going to really help you because these companies do these things or these businesses do this.

So, for me, the incentive should be and the support from the government should be towards helping you have childcare and support around that to be able to work and therefore not need to have benefits. But I appreciate not all families can do that.”

I sympathise with her, I also went to an inner city secondary where there were dozens of girls whose only ambition in life was to get pregnant as soon as they’d left school so that they could get their own council house. We’re in real danger of a similarly lost generation.

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I took that to mean 'they' as in Labour, and more welfare recipients equals more Labour voters.

Yeah, I have those. I think it's catchy.

For the Mogg-philes, this is quite interesting but delivered in the kind of Jackanory tones that might soothe the inner rage 😁

Thanks.
The Greens will be very happy with that 😬. Good to see Labour in 4th. They should be at the bottom really.

Less than 80 posts left on this thread. We’ll be on Thread 22 by the time the Budget arrives at this rate!

Yeh, I got you.

My post wasn't in response to your pp this morning

I really enjoyed listening to that 😂.
He seems to think Starmer is done, and his latest fuck up with the briefing will mean he'll be gone before May.