Labour isn't working - Thread 18

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Bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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@LupaMoonhowl

Yes - similarly in Austria where I was in the summer. I think it’s the mindset behind placing the flag on lampposts. And then walking into a house where flags are flown down the street if you are viewed as an immigrant - or the Chinese takeaway in York that was plastered with St George’s flags.

I fear KS and RR being ousted if it means that an even more rabid socialist comes into power.

This worries me too. If someone to the left of him gets in, things xould actually get even worse.

@LupaMoonhowl

And - as a family - we did the St George’s day parade and church service in April last year. That I fully agree with as the ethos behind that is right.

I think it’s unlikely atm, it seems to be an indication of how much they’re failing but I’d be surprised if he goes, yet anyway.

I could be surprised of course, if it does happen.

I don’t think the left would last a day because the markets would react.

I think the answer to that will lie in the reason
for them being ousted, and by whom.

Logically, any threat would emerge after the budget, at the earliest.

Personally, and in the more medium term, I see
internecine warfare as positive. The bigger concern for me is the ability of the opposition to take advantage of any Labour chaos.

I can’t imagine anything improving if Starmer is ousted. The revolving door of leadership thing was really fucking annoying when the Tories did it. Labour may have a lot of seats but they didn’t get a lot of votes but Starmer won the election for them, without a doubt.

the upside is they will definitely definitely lose the next GE if he is ousted and they show the backbiting and in fighting of Tories past but the downside is the markets won’t improve and the NEXT Budget will be even worse!!

Good episode with a discussion of the BBC in the first half and Education in the second half.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/quite-right/id1822769271?i=1000736342758

I wonder what an even more rabid socialist could do - of course there is always more but RR is already tanking the economy….

This. The reason Ange has moved to to Brighton is to parachute her into a safe Labour seat where, until she moved there, she had no connections.

There’s a strong fantasy among the left that governments can spend their way out of anything. You see that nonsense frequently on MN. Often I’ve seen posters say that countries can’t become bankrupt, since a nation can just print ever more money.

So I wouldn’t put it past the Labour left to stage or contribute to a coup against Starmer and Reeves - who are anyway a great deal more left in practice than their pre-election posturing would have had you believe.

Starmer’s problem is that he’s useless, wherever he is on the Labour spectrum. The left of Labour sees a chance, not an ideological enemy.

I think the issue would be the cost of debt servicing. If you look at the markets when she looks vulnerable in her job either upset or sideline headlines they react.

Anyone to the left of her looking to increase borrowing would cause a spike.

I think they’ll stay for this reason, but all this stuff is seriously weakening their GE chances.

They being Starmer and Reeves.

Agree @EasternStandard the debt interest is wagging the entire political dog. That’s what I mean, they could change the name but they don’t have any more freedom of action.

That’s it.

You want the headline risk, you want the markets to react adversely. Let the left come - it will prove an unmitigated disaster. Better that than the
drip, drip water torture we have currently.

the signs jobs were on a big down swing have been evident for so long. And that’s looking at the actively job seeking unemployed, the vacancies, leaving aside the people on DLA or economically inactive…we do have a workless crisis we’ve simply parcelled it into different packages to hide the truth.

I’m not so sure, given one should not underestimate an individual’s ability to act
on their ego and capriciousness above party and country.

IF Reeves goes post-budget, Starmer is cooked.
The Streeting headlines doing the rounds at the moment, are probably accurate (it’s a cheap call
option in essence).

Streeting attacks ‘toxic’ No 10 and demands Starmer sack briefers

I agree they’re tied together in this. If one goes they both do.

And true on first part too.

I still think Streeting would face the problem of a wafer thin constituency majority. And running off to Liverpool or wherever for a super-safe seat would be a grave embarrassment, and carry a lot of risk. There aren’t that many truly safe Labour seats as things stand.

But I suppose he might see the leadership as a good way to boost his existing vote.

Valid.

Hes in full denial mode this morning it seems.

Valid.

Hes in full denial mode this morning it seems.

Thanks for the recommendation. Although I’m a podcast addict I’ve not quite got round to signing up to this one yet thought the clips I’ve seen - in particular their take on JKR - have been good.

Good morning 😁

I thought Streeting put up a good fight this morning. He and every journo I've listened to and read is saying that this has been briefed out by those around Starmer. They can't blame the press for this one, it was deliberate.

I don't know why they thought this would strengthen Starmer's position though. Either Starmer didn't know, and he now needs to start firing those around him, or he did know and is now at war with his health secretary.

"We will end the chaos"

Off topic... @upseedaisee I'm keen to know where your next adventure will be! I am living vicariously through you while I am still engaged in non-work.

(TBF though I have a day off today, but am doing nothing much as have hurt my back).

Yeh it’s not the press. It’s Labour politicians. What an own goal.